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I didn't think that was possible

My Oppo 103 is considerably faster than any other device I have or have used. And I've tried most all Vudu 3D and 4K upscaling devices.

Does the Sony support Vudu 3D as well ?

I was misinformed. Please see Jake's post below

[jeremymc7]

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And it runs smoother and faster than even on the Oppo.

I didn't think that was possible

My Oppo 103 is considerably faster than any other device I have or have used. And I've tried most all Vudu 3D and 4K upscaling devices.

Does the Sony support Vudu 3D as well ?

[Smackos]

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Yes, PS3 allows downloads and there is no plan to change that.

PS4 currently only supports max 1GB download data for an app, which just isn't enough to download video?

Is there any news on Sony increasing this ridiculous restriction yet? I love using VUDU but I've had nothing but buffering issues since moving to a PS4. The ability not to be able to download is making me regret selling my PS3 already. Its also making me cut right back on new Vudu purchases till it is sorted.

If not is there no way you can try and maximise the available buffer allowed. I notice that the Vudu ps4 app only uses 110mb, whilst both Amazon Instant and Netflix take up 1100mb of space. Presumably they are allocating as much space as they can for the buffer and caching as they can.

[Jake]

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Thanks Dan. We'll just have to keep up with updates as they roll out, and hope that Sony opens things up to you developers to be able to make it as media-feature-rich as it can be. I hear that there isn't even a compatible media remote control available at this early juncture.

BTW, my PS3 is in a box in a state of disassembly, so I am out of it on that platform. Do you know if VUDU downloads are still possible on the PS3? For rentals and buys?

Yes, PS3 allows downloads and there is no plan to change that.

PS4 currently only supports max 1GB download data for an app, which just isn't enough to download video?

[Mister B.M.]

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Thanks Dan. We'll just have to keep up with updates as they roll out, and hope that Sony opens things up to you developers to be able to make it as media-feature-rich as it can be. I hear that there isn't even a compatible media remote control available at this early juncture.

BTW, my PS3 is in a box in a state of disassembly, so I am out of it on that platform. Do you know if VUDU downloads are still possible on the PS3? For rentals and buys?

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Can anybody confirm?

Will VUDU on the PS4 allow you to download rentals for later playback at your convenience? Not talking about downloads for buys, but downloads for rentals.

This functionality was available (at one time at least, if not in the long run) on the PS3. And I think the PS3 was the only set-top box to ever be given that ability.

Currently, the download feature is not available on the ps4.

[Mister B.M.]

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Can anybody confirm?

Will VUDU on the PS4 allow you to download rentals for later playback at your convenience? Not talking about downloads for buys, but downloads for rentals.

This functionality was available (at one time at least, if not in the long run) on the PS3. And I think the PS3 was the only set-top box to ever be given that ability.

[home_theatre_man]

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PS4: We're working with Sony on this - currently PS4 doesn't provide a way for apps to choose the number of LPCM channels output, it just uses the max supported by the receiver/TV.

I would investigate this. It was my assumption as well upon initial setup of PS4; however, I discovered that Netflix and Sony's Video Unlimited service (along with BD/DVD playback, which may or may not qualify as an app ) both switch the LPCM stream to 5.1. So it is possible. Unfortunately, the Netflix app also currently downmixes everything to the L/R channels prior to embedding in the 5.1 stream.

However, we are working on being able to bitstream the encoded DD/DD+ audio directly.

I always prefer seeing a raw Dolby stream to an LPCM decode, because I can monitor DialNorm offset and use DRC as needed. As long as it doesn't require making a PS4 system settings change to/from bitstream specifically for the VUDU app, direct access to the bitstream would be a welcome addition.

XBOne: As far as I know here apps have even less control since XBOne apps are mostly Windows Modern/Javascript-based. But I'll check with the developer who worked on the player part of it.

Thank you. As you say, it has been my experience that all XBO apps adhere strictly to the settings of the XBO console (as was the case with 360 except for DVD playback).

Seems like in this generation both consoles tried to make audio and video settings all "automatic" from the system settings, which is probably what you want for games but not necessarily ideal for media apps.

This makes more sense for XBO due to the complexities of coding operations such as Snap and OneGuide with different channels and sample rates. It is easier to leave one 48 kHz pipe wide open all the time and mix to it.

Thanks again for your time.

Chase

[Jake]

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Jake, thanks for being available to answer questions. We really appreciate it!

Currently, the PS4 app does not switch the PCM stream to 5.1 and 2.0 depending on content. It is locked to 7.1 all the time. Is that something you might address in a future update?

I would be curious to know the same information for the Xbox One app, as it is also locked to 7.1 (if '7.1 uncompressed' is selected in XBO settings).

Chase

PS4: We're working with Sony on this - currently PS4 doesn't provide a way for apps to choose the number of LPCM channels output, it just uses the max supported by the receiver/TV. However, we are working on being able to bitstream the encoded DD/DD+ audio directly.

XBOne: as far as I know here apps have even less control since XBOne apps are mostly Windows Modern/Javascript-based. But I'll check with the developer who worked on the player part it it.

Seems like in this generation both consoles tried to make audio and video settings all "automatic" from the system settings, which is probably what you want for games but not necessarily ideal for media apps

[home_theatre_man]

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Do you have the PS4 running through something like an AVR that would allow you to pull up and see if it is sending out YCbCr 444 or RGB 444 for the VUDU app when a movie is playing?

8-bit RGB 4:4:4 @ 60 Hz for compatible displays

Chase

[home_theatre_man]

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As far as audio output - there were some issues with audio decoding we are trying to work out (better to be out day 1 than wait for firmware updates) - notably it's not true bitstreaming yet, but it should be supported in an update. Though we did make sure DD+ 7.1 can be output as LCPM 7.1, so check that...

Jake, thanks for being available to answer questions. We really appreciate it!

Currently, the PS4 app does not switch the PCM stream to 5.1 and 2.0 depending on content. It is locked to 7.1 all the time. Is that something you might address in a future update?

I would be curious to know the same information for the Xbox One app, as it is also locked to 7.1 (if '7.1 uncompressed' is selected in XBO settings).

Chase

[Jake]

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You're right about PCM. If you set the audio decoding in the PS4 to PCM, the VUDU app does output 7.1. I tried Turbo which is DD+ 7.1 and my Pioneer Elite receiver showed all 7 speakers on the display and I checked all 4 rear speakers and each one had sound coming out of it. If however you set the PS4 to Bitstream DD or DTS, then you'll only get 5.1 audio.

So, as long as the peaks are not so loud you need to turn on dynamic range compression (aka. "night mode") you should not notice any difference with 7.1 LPCM Otherwise, it should be available in a future release when you select "bitstream" in the system settings...

[Adam_ME]

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As far as audio output (mentioned by Adam_ME) - there were some issues with audio decoding we are trying to work out (better to be out day 1 than wait for firmware updates - notably it's not true bit streaming yet, but it should be supported in an update. (Actually, PS3 bistreaming should be in a future update, as well...) Though we did make sure DD+ 7.1 can be output as LCPM 7.1, so check that... you may have a system setting that's re-encoding to DD 5.1??)

You're right about PCM. If you set the audio decoding in the PS4 to PCM, the VUDU app does output 7.1. I tried Turbo which is DD+ 7.1 and my Pioneer Elite receiver showed all 7 speakers on the display and I checked all 4 rear speakers and each one had sound coming out of it. If however you set the PS4 to Bitstream DD or DTS, then you'll only get 5.1 audio.

[Jake]

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Thanks, downloading is a must for me so Im curious about that. Do you have the PS4 running thru something like an AVR that would allow you to pull up and see if it is sending out ycbcr 444 or RGB 444 for the vudu app when a movie is playing? The PS3 treated apps like games IIRC and everything is RGB, another issue for me.

PS4 does not currently support downloads - the limit to app download data is too low to support it - hopefully that will change...

The video output colorspace is still determined by the PS4 system settings, so it's not possible for apps to change. Though YCbCr 444 won't really make most PS4 video apps look better (possibly worse?) since the content is all YCbCr 420 and the UI RGB, and probably gets composited (i.e. in 3D hardware, texture mapped by a GPU) in RGB space. Outputting YUV again would just be yet another color conversion. (Honestly, no idea if the PS3/PS4 BD player composites the UI in YUV space so no conversion happens - but it's very possible it doesn't...) Anyway, if your display device handles RGB "correctly" there's nothing wrong with using it (the input gets converted to RGB internally anyway since that's what the pixels use).

As far as audio output (mentioned by Adam_ME) - there were some issues with audio decoding we are trying to work out (better to be out day 1 than wait for firmware updates - notably it's not true bit streaming yet, but it should be supported in an update. (Actually, PS3 bistreaming should be in a future update, as well...) Though we did make sure DD+ 7.1 can be output as LCPM 7.1, so check that... you may have a system setting that's re-encoding to DD 5.1??)

[Speedaddict81]

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It's very quiet. The only time it really makes any noise is when the disc is spinning when it's loading. I never thought the Oppo was all that loud either, so the PS4 is maybe marginally quieter.

Thanks, just curious. The PS3 sounds like a jet about to take off.