We Don't REALLY "Own" What We Buy.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

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It's all good, friend. To each their own I say.

[MaxH]

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Even if thread necromancy wasn't generally frowned upon, four years is an eternity in a technology-based forum. Better to start a new thread than dredge up one that has stale info at best, or worst case, outright incorrect info (due to age), no?

Eh, I can't argue with that, especially since one of the recent posts quoted the OP, from four years ago, and replied to it instead of the new comments.

Personally, I tend to prefer aggregation of like information, rather than splitting, because I feel a strong need to have my information organized. But that's just me.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

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Some of us realized that before you posted this the first time two weeks ago, but someone had similar questions to the OP, and so we were discussing them here. I would hope that the person who revived it read the original thread, which would keep us from rehashing too much of this topic.

Even if thread necromancy wasn't generally frowned upon, four years is an eternity in a technology-based forum. Better to start a new thread than dredge up one that has stale info at best, or worst case, outright incorrect info (due to age), no?

[MaxH]

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Folks, this is a 4-year old thread.

Some of us realized that before you posted this the first time two weeks ago, but someone had similar questions to the OP, and so we were discussing them here. I would hope that the person who revived it read the original thread, which would keep us from rehashing too much of this topic.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

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Folks, this is a 4-year old thread.

[BenniBee]

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I have just downloaded several television episodes that I purchased. Upon attempting to burn them to a DVD, I learned that they are nowhere to be found on my Mac. I contacted support, asking for assistance, and received a very short one-sentence response that they are stored in an "undisclosed file", and could not access them without the VUDU2GO App.

I purchased these television episodes, and should be able to burn them to a disc, since I own them.

How is this even remotely justifiable? We need to be able to do what we wish with the movies/titles we own, short of anything illegal. Since I own the shows I bought, I should be able to burn them to a DVD. I find this to be an unacceptable restriction; I simply wanted to make a DVD of the things I own so I could watch them at my grandparents' - downloading the app isn't possible, since they do not have internet.

Again, I own the titles; I should be able to burn them to a DVD if I so choose.
This issue needs to be resolved. As customers, we should be allowed to do what we wish with our movies.
If you're concerned about theft, set a limit for number of downloads. But this is not acceptable. by any means.

I understand your frustration. However, you have to understand things from the studio's point of view as well. It's all about pirating. The idea is that there are anti-pirating features (I'm not entirely sure about what exactly they are called) on DVDs we purchase to prevent us from copying and redistributing the content. If you read the copyright on the box of a DVD, it clearly states that by purchasing the DVD, we have only purchased the rights to show the content at home for entertainment purposes (we cannot share the content in order to profit from it).

It is the same with content we purchase via Vudu, iTunes, etc. We purchase the rights to view it for entertainment purposes. The reason we cannot download and burn the content to a DVD is that we could theoretically then sell those DVDs for profit (because once someone has burned it to one DVD, what's to keep them from copying that DVD exponentially?). Without these guidelines, studios wouldn't sell their content at all; they would keep it to themselves and force us to go to them to watch it.

I understand your frustration, and it is valid, but unfortunately this is another case of the few ruining it for everyone.

[Cranston37]

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I have bought many movies but can't save on my hard drive to take on a trip the way I choose to view what I paid to "own". Yes it says "own". So what does "own" mean? Well defined by most as "in possession of". So...since I have not read all the extra fine print (!!) perhaps they never said "physically own". That's what we assume because that's what we have been taught to own means.

You certainly know all of the Terms of Service of digital licenses BEFORE making the choice to purchase one.

If we cancel our subscription, them we no longer have the videos, so by that fact, no, WE DO NOT OWN THEM. In literal, we have unlimited use of them, SO LONG AS we maintain our subscription. That is so-o-o in ethical. Shame on them.

What "subscription" are you talking about? There are no services that require you to maintain a subscription in order to access your purchased titles as you describe.

[MaxH]

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Did you really think you were buying physical disks as opposed to digital licensing rights? Digital licensing doesn't mean you get to make and distribute unlimited copies. Vudu provides plenty of ways to watch on plenty of devices, although sometimes offline viewing can be tricky, I'll admit. But there's nothing unethical about enforcing licensing restrictions that are clearly spelled out from the beginning. If that really bothers you, you may want to leave the computer age altogether, because you've already agreed to plenty of EULAs that are much, much worse. Or at least stick to Linux and avoid all commercial software.

And there's no subscription, so there's nothing to cancel. I don't know where you got that from.

[conleysgallery@msn.com]

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I have bought many movies but can't save on my hard drive to take on a trip the way I choose to view what I paid to "own". Yes it says "own". So what does "own" mean? Well defined by most as "in possession of". So...since I have not read all the extra fine print (!!) perhaps they never said "physically own". That's what we assume because that's what we have been taught to own means. SO, back to own, if we cancel our subscription, them we no longer have the videos, so by that fact, no, WE DO NOT OWN THEM. In literal, we have unlimited use of them, SO LONG AS we maintain our subscription. That is so-o-o in ethical. Shame on them.

[LuzRinggold]

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We have two young boys in our home. Parental controls is something that we use fear of loss of privileges to enforced instead of a technical solution.

I am not against what I call "the honor system"...but young children in a room all alone can mistakenly select a movie. It's like the internet. You can be doing an innocent search on a subject and wonder onto a site with either very bad language or nudity. Once a child has seen it or heard it you cannot undo that.

I see no reason why parents shouldn't have the ability to fully control their video library. I would love it if we could have control down to the device level. Then I wouldn't have a problem putting a Roku in both of my kids bedroom and set them accordingly.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

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We watch a lot of UV movies...stream right from Vudu. But when we are traveling and in the kids bedroom we still use DVDs and will continue to until we have something with better parental controls. The real problem with everyone's parental controls is the NR rated movies. Many of the kids movies are NR, but there are also several movies that my husband and I have out there that are NR.

I suppose every family is going to be a little different...if everyone was the same then everyone would have been happy with iTunes and we wouldn't even have UV.

We have two young boys in our home. Parental controls is something that we use fear of loss of privileges to enforced instead of a technical solution.

With NetFlix, Amazon Prime, and Vudu, finding a way to keep up with the parental controls is really too much. The boys are growing up in an environment where they know they are not allowed to watch content that is not appropriate to their age. This seems to be the same with other children in their age group from what I pick up on.

In our home, the 13 year old boy has free reign to watch up to PG-13 content. The 8 year old only up to PG. Either needs permission to go beyond. If they are caught watching outside their limits, they know they will loose their electronic privileges and that seems sufficient to keep them in line.

That at least is how we manage it. Also, with packaged media there is really nothing stopping a child from taking a title off the book shelf and bringing it into their room to watch which is beyond their age limit. They do not because they know if they are caught, they will get into trouble. When we first went to streaming for content, I thought about it and decided that there is really no difference between a packaged media title rated "R" on a book shelf and an "R" rated title in our Vudu library.

[LuzRinggold]

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that is cool. Didn't know that. Thx.

For me, I am going in the reverse direction. I seriously can not remember the last time I put a disc into a player to watch a movie. Has to be going on over two years now, but I can remember the last time I watch a movie via UV. It was this morning.

I picked up where I left off last night on the first Blade movie while I was putting my socks on and watched for about ten minutes before shoving off to work.

We watch a lot of UV movies...stream right from Vudu. But when we are traveling and in the kids bedroom we still use DVDs and will continue to until we have something with better parental controls. The real problem with everyone's parental controls is the NR rated movies. Many of the kids movies are NR, but there are also several movies that my husband and I have out there that are NR.

I suppose every family is going to be a little different...if everyone was the same then everyone would have been happy with iTunes and we wouldn't even have UV.

[LuzRinggold]

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Every time a new format comes along, new devices are required. When DVD's came out, they weren't compatible with VHS players, and when Blu-rays came out, they weren't compatible with DVD players. I don't know why you think UV should be compatible with non internet connected DVD players. Next you will be wondering why it won't work on your VHS player! That is just the price of progress. At least UV is compatible with any Blu-ray player that has a vudu app, or DLNA. And UV isn't supposed to replace physical media, it's supposed to complement it. Also, if you look at uvvu website, it will allow you to order a copy of the movie on physical media if you bought it electronically.

UV has been advertised as a way to backup your DVD and Blu-ray collection, not replace it (as you stated). To complement it is to allow us total freedom as they promised and to allow us to use technology that exists today to burn a DVD if we need/want to. Oh, once I have it on DVD I think I can figure out how to get it to VHS if I really want to.

So if you have ever seen these comments made by the industry to entice people to use it and if you read the UV website a few months ago before they changed the verbiage on their site, you would understand why we feel that UV was supposed to mean total freedom to REALLY watch on any device...especially the devices we currently own. Using UV to recover a scratched DVD that we have is great, however it isn't as great as they lead us to believe since we may not be able to download that movie and burn a copy for the kids to be able to watch their favorite movies.

If we will not be able to burn a DVD from our UV locker then I just see that as a limitation (and I also feel that UV has somewhat mislead us). That will prevent me from ever buying digital copies of movies in the future. That way, if UV goes away then we still have our movie collection.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

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Every time a new format comes along, new devices are required. When DVD's came out, they weren't compatible with VHS players, and when Blu-rays came out, they weren't compatible with DVD players. I don't know why you think UV should be compatible with non internet connected DVD players. Next you will be wondering why it won't work on your VHS player! That is just the price of progress. At least UV is compatible with any Blu-ray player that has a vudu app, or DLNA. And UV isn't supposed to replace physical media, it's supposed to complement it. Also, if you look at uvvu website, it will allow you to order a copy of the movie on physical media if you bought it electronically.

that is cool. Didn't know that. Thx.

For me, I am going in the reverse direction. I seriously can not remember the last time I put a disc into a player to watch a movie. Has to be going on over two years now, but I can remember the last time I watch a movie via UV. It was this morning.

I picked up where I left off last night on the first Blade movie while I was putting my socks on and watched for about ten minutes before shoving off to work.

[echopulse]

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Every time a new format comes along, new devices are required. When DVD's came out, they weren't compatible with VHS players, and when Blu-rays came out, they weren't compatible with DVD players. I don't know why you think UV should be compatible with non internet connected DVD players. Next you will be wondering why it won't work on your VHS player! That is just the price of progress. At least UV is compatible with any Blu-ray player that has a vudu app, or DLNA. And UV isn't supposed to replace physical media, it's supposed to complement it. Also, if you look at uvvu website, it will allow you to order a copy of the movie on physical media if you bought it electronically.