We Don't REALLY "Own" What We Buy.

[LuzRinggold]

Re: We Don't REALLY "Own" What We Buy.

According to the UV Demystified website, you will be able to watch your UV files on your DVD player, and there will probably be several ways to do that. One is you can get a DVD mailed to you if you haven't used your physical copy. You can also use DLNA if your player supports that. I just can't wait for it to finally be launched. They keep saying this year, but time is running out!

The "if your player supports that" is what I have a major problem with! Replacing VHS tapes with DVDs and then DVDs with Blu-ray is one thing...but now the industry is wanting to force us to replace DVD and Blu-ray players! Watching movies shouldn't be that expensive or complicated. I have two DVD players and three Blu-ray players and they are all in perfect working condition. I have no plans to run out an buy new devices and we shouldn't be asked to.

[echopulse]

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According to the UV Demystified website, you will be able to watch your UV files on your DVD player, and there will probably be several ways to do that. One is you can get a DVD mailed to you if you haven't used your physical copy. You can also use DLNA if your player supports that. I just can't wait for it to finally be launched. They keep saying this year, but time is running out!

[LuzRinggold]

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As far as I know, no other EST provider allows burning to DVD, so I'm not sure why stones are being thrown at UV on this issue. The option would be a nice plus to be sure, and it would definitely further differentiate UV from other EST providers. However, Amazon and iTunes did quite well prior to the arrival of UV, so I'm not really sure how the lack of dvd burning is a hindrance to UV acceptance.

To your second point, they already dictate which devices we can buy to view content. For example, all Android devices aren't supported by VUDU (for a variety of technical reasons), so the availability of the VUDU app will likely alter your purchasing decision. The DECE has the responsibility of coming up with the technical specifications and DRM supported by UV, and only those devices that "cut the mustard" so-to-speak are ones that will play your movies. So yes, they have always dictated which devices we can use to view content. The difference maker for UV is that it's the most device agnostic system. Only Amazon comes close due to it's availability on a wide range of devices, but that's a sore point for us Android users as they refuse to release a video app for Android smartphones/tablets (other than their Kindle Fire line of course).

IMO, the update makes sense, because, at least to me, "complete freedom" means DRM-free, which UV is most definitely not.

As I said in my previous reply, legally speaking, you NEVER own the content you buy, regardless of the distribution mechanism. All you ever have, and ever will have, is a license to watch the content based on the terms provided by the studio/provider/etc. UV, first and foremost, is a way of putting this license on a server somewhere so that your license isn't lost when something happens to your DVD/Blu-Ray.

The UV website used to claim that we had TOTAL FREEDOM over how we watched our UV movies. They have tightened the noose a bit by claiming only devices they approve of. That is not freedom, it's control. Total freedom to watch on ANY device means I can watch in my DVD player or my kids can watch on DVD in the car.

What we are now beginning to see is that we better continue to buy physical media. I have purchased a handful of digital movies in the past, but I will no longer make that mistake.

[BlakkMajik3000]

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I agree, we should be able to burn a disc...especially if it's UV content. If we cannot then that is another roadblock for UV acceptance.

The UV website is being updated little by little. It now seems to say that they can dictate the devices we must buy and use to watch our movies as opposed to saying we have "complete freedom" like it once said.

As far as I know, no other EST provider allows burning to DVD, so I'm not sure why stones are being thrown at UV on this issue. The option would be a nice plus to be sure, and it would definitely further differentiate UV from other EST providers. However, Amazon and iTunes did quite well prior to the arrival of UV, so I'm not really sure how the lack of dvd burning is a hindrance to UV acceptance.

To your second point, they already dictate which devices we can buy to view content. For example, all Android devices aren't supported by VUDU (for a variety of technical reasons), so the availability of the VUDU app will likely alter your purchasing decision. The DECE has the responsibility of coming up with the technical specifications and DRM supported by UV, and only those devices that "cut the mustard" so-to-speak are ones that will play your movies. So yes, they have always dictated which devices we can use to view content. The difference maker for UV is that it's the most device agnostic system. Only Amazon comes close due to it's availability on a wide range of devices, but that's a sore point for us Android users as they refuse to release a video app for Android smartphones/tablets (other than their Kindle Fire line of course).

IMO, the update makes sense, because, at least to me, "complete freedom" means DRM-free, which UV is most definitely not.

As I said in my previous reply, legally speaking, you NEVER own the content you buy, regardless of the distribution mechanism. All you ever have, and ever will have, is a license to watch the content based on the terms provided by the studio/provider/etc. UV, first and foremost, is a way of putting this license on a server somewhere so that your license isn't lost when something happens to your DVD/Blu-Ray.

[LuzRinggold]

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I agree, we should be able to burn a disc...especially if it's UV content. If we cannot then that is another roadblock for UV acceptance.

The UV website is being updated little by little. It now seems to say that they can dictate the devices we must buy and use to watch our movies as opposed to saying we have "complete freedom" like it once said.

[MaxH]

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I think some BB settings might be disabling image embedding. I noticed the same issue recently.

[Woodoo4Vudu]

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I have just downloaded several television episodes that I purchased. Upon attempting to burn them to a DVD, I learned that they are nowhere to be found on my Mac. I contacted support, asking for assistance, and received a very short one-sentence response that they are stored in an "undisclosed file", and could not access them without the VUDU2GO App.

I purchased these television episodes, and should be able to burn them to a disc, since I own them.

How is this even remotely justifiable? We need to be able to do what we wish with the movies/titles we own, short of anything illegal. Since I own the shows I bought, I should be able to burn them to a DVD. I find this to be an unacceptable restriction; I simply wanted to make a DVD of the things I own so I could watch them at my grandparents' - downloading the app isn't possible, since they do not have internet.

Again, I own the titles; I should be able to burn them to a DVD if I so choose.
This issue needs to be resolved. As customers, we should be allowed to do what we wish with our movies.
If you're concerned about theft, set a limit for number of downloads. But this is not acceptable. by any means.

[Grey Ghost]

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That will be nice...to be able to dowload a CFF and burn a new copy of the DVD when the original is so scratched up that it will no longer play.

I don't think you will be able to burn a DVD in standard DVD format if that is what you mean. Probably would need a player that can read CFF on a burned DVD to burn a new copy that you could use or just connect your hard drive with the CFF to your player.

[LuzRinggold]

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Again, this issue is being addressed with the Common File Format, and you will be able to do what you wish with your files. I just hope it comes out before the end of the year. It is really needed for UV to grow to those people who have adopted streaming.

That will be nice...to be able to dowload a CFF and burn a new copy of the DVD when the original is so scratched up that it will no longer play.

[echopulse]

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Again, this issue is being addressed with the Common File Format, and you will be able to do what you wish with your files. I just hope it comes out before the end of the year. It is really needed for UV to grow to those people who have adopted streaming.

[lujan]

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I too have had many DVD's stolen, and some damaged. So I will never purchase physical media that doesn't come with a UV copy again.

Yeah, that's what I do now. I make sure the movie comes with a UV copy unless it's an old movie.

[echopulse]

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I too have had many DVD's stolen, and some damaged. So I will never purchase physical media that doesn't come with a UV copy again.

[Lunchbox]

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Despite the downfalls of digital, it does feel safer than owning the physical. I've been through a flood, house fire, theft, etc and grabbing your video collection ends up low on the totem pole. Especially when you only have minutes to grab anything that seems important.

Now, if my home burns down, floods out, or is robbed then my movies will be safe and easy to get back with digital. However, a hacked account or emp or whatever can just as easily take them away.

I just look at everything as temporary regardless of which format I use and understand the restrictions to avoid funstrations.

[Grey Ghost]

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Where is this Vudu2Go App? Vudu Player seems to be the only legitimate app I can find in Googles Playstore or in Apples App store and both have very low ratings. Is Vudu Player the app I would use to watch purchased content while offline? My wife refuses to purchase anymore digital media unless we can watch it offline; she prefers a physical library & rips everything. I prefer a digital library but I admit its useless when you don't have access to internet.

It is actually a Windows (and Mac) program for use on a computer. It does allow for HDX playback of many titles.
You can find it here when you are logged in: http://www.vudu.com/in_home_disc_to_digital.html

[canadien37]

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Believe me, I've played them on a slow connection, and it prompts constantly to let you know your connection is too slow to play a downloaded HDX movie. It makes no sense, but it's true. Others have complained on the WD site too.

That is strange, because I checked a while ago, and while a downloaded movie was playing, there was very little network activity going on, in comparison to streaming directly.....It may have changed......