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  • skeeterfood
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Ah, so the Vudu's software must be based on NetBSD, since they're complying with clause 3:

    The VUDU product includes software developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    I just was mucking about the Vudu website here and found this:

    http://images.vudu.com/v4/VUDU_Softw...tributions.pdf

    I thought it was appropriate to list in this thread. It was simply in the documentation section listed above...
    http://www.vudu.com/vudu_documentati...cation=support

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  • redwein
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    I thought a little about how this whole thread played out and then it dawned on me. Every software company that I have worked for (spanning almost 25 years) has prohibited all employees from publicly discussing any legal issues or proprietary technology. This even covers answering allegations that have no merit since words have a funny way of coming back and hurting you. Since answering the original question would have required divulging something about their proprietary technology and giving a legal opinion, there is no way that any employee would ever have been able to respond in any way on this forum. For matters like this, the only communication that would ever be allowed would be through the legal department, and then, only when properly presented. I'll bet that is what is going on here.

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  • StevenRushing
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    After doing some research (which I will not divulge unless specifically requested lest someone accuse me of breaking TOS) I have independently determined what I believe caused this "Linux OS confirmed" issue. The partitions use a common Linux format. Nothing further can be determined (at least my an amateur like me) due to the heavy encryption. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing! You don't need to disclose the partition formatting whether it be fat, ntsf or reiser fs. It doesn't matter. It doesn't even mean that there is linux underneath the encryption, at all. The guy (as far as I can tell) is simply assuming a Linux OS because of how the drive is formatted. You know what they say about assumptions. I simply have to give Vudu the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason not to.

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  • qz3fwd
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    You guys are reading a conspiracy into my first post.
    While doing research on this product I saw a teardown site which said "confirmed linux OS" or something similar, yet I saw no disclosure anywhere on vudu website, forums, or documentation. For gods sake even my HD DVD player plays by the rules, acknowledges the code they used, and have a download site.

    So, I wanted to see whats up with vudu.

    And, no offense to the mods, but there are many, many companies (big and small) which did not divulge their use of OS code until people started asking questions and coaxed them to comply with the license. I usually dont take on faith. Plus what happens to the mods credibility if someone later shows they have in fact hijacked OS code?

    Trust but verify is a good approach I think.

    Case closed.

    Thank You

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  • Nded
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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Originally posted by MaxH View Post
    How do we know we can believe you? I want to see surveillance footage of your whole day, or else any time unaccounted for must have been spent stealing.
    Something was nefarious. We have no idea what redwein was up to. He could have been attempting to steal from the Salvation Army kettles. In fact, how do we know redwein is an actual Vudu user and not just a plant from Vudu? After all, he praises the product, claims he owns five of them and so therefore, he must be a Vudu employee or worse yet, member of the executive staff. There is no smoke so there must be fire!

    We could go on and on with this rot if we wanted. If someone feels you are guilty anything you say or don't say can and will be used against.

    Hey Max, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

    This is the sort of mentality I see on display here.

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  • MaxH
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    BTW, I haven't robbed anyone today. I know many of you were wondering until I came right out and said it.
    How do we know we can believe you? I want to see surveillance footage of your whole day, or else any time unaccounted for must have been spent stealing.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    I haven't murdered anyone today.

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  • redwein
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    BTW, I haven't robbed anyone today. I know many of you were wondering until I came right out and said it.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Hi Vudur,

    As I am not a Vudu employee, I can't definitively answer your questions, but there is a "Credits" section in the Vudu where credits are given to the HDMI consortiom, Dolby Labs, etc. So Vudu is giving credit where credit is due. The exact nature of Vudu's software is that it is proprietary. It is my understanding that it is not open source. I would expect that if open source software had been used it would have been disclosed. I expect Vudu is obeying the laws. The absence of smoke does not prove there is fire. Just because Vudu has not disclosed any open source software does not mean that they are lying.

    As a matter of fact, I am certain this is 100% true. Those of us in the beta community have asked for an "open source" sandbox to allow developers to play in to develop things like web based access to the movie listings, etc. Vudu would have to make part of their code open source to allow this soft of thing. We do not have such a sandbox at this time.

    My assumption (and I think it is a pretty good one based on my knowledge of the product) is that the Vudu does NOT ship with free or open source software. If it did, such software would be detailed and the GPL acknowledged.

    You guys can insinuate all you want about this, but if Vudu has no open source software, they have no need to state that they do not have it. Please trust the company that they are following all applicable laws and licensing requirements.

    As for discussing tear downs, etc. and how to "hack" the Vudu - this is not the place. This forum is owned and operated by Vudu. Discussions of ways to try to circumvent the encryption, hack the system, etc. will not be tolerated. If someone wishes to start a 3rd party forum to discuss this or blog about it, that is their prerogative. This is primarily a customer support site and the purpose is to generate a community where users can share experiences, ask questions, make suggestions and get support for the product. The posting guidelines posted at the top of each forum spell this out in more detail. Keep in mind what you would do on other corporate owned support sites for other companies such as Apple Computer, Microsoft, IBM, etc. Those companies wouldn't support threads about how to hack their products on their sites.

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  • vudur
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Hi all,
    First post here. I set up my box last night, decided to browse the forums and stumbled upon this thread. A few observations:

    - Geeks and technophiles, who are usually early adopters of technology like Vudu, have a naturally inquisitive mind. There are people who are going to buy this box just to look under the hood, and most of them will post their findings publicly. If the rules of this forum prevent them from doing so, they will probably share it on their blog or personal web space.

    - Vudu has put in a lot of technological measures to protect the interests of content owners (and movie studios). This shows it respects Intellectual Property and wants to play by the rules. Software, be it free/open source or proprietary, is also governed by similar (and in some cases the same) rules. Vudu would probably be better served if it leaves no room for ambiguity that it respects software the same way it respects the content it sells.

    - This forum, as I understand it, is for/about the Vudu community. At the same time, it also provides Vudu with a front row seat to what its users (customers) care about. This particular issue - does Vudu use any free/open source software in its product- is one such issue. If there are Vudu employees on this forum ( I sure hope there are) , I am sure they appreciate being asked nicely rather than be accused.

    On that note, let me ask a direct question:
    Does the Vudu box ship with any free/open source software? If yes, can you provide details on how you are complying with the license obligations for those pieces of free/open source software?

    Phew.. long post for my first one, but that's what you get when you have a passionate customer who cares

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  • StevenRushing
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    I think I was wrong here. I think I read it wrong. I can understand rejecting the premise based on not seeing the evidence, and therefore not being able to judge it's credibility. I was just reading it incorrectly to mean, basically: show me your source, I don't think it exists. Rather what was meant was probably: Show me your source, I want to judge it's credibility. I apologize, I should have thought more about the intent or at least given you the benefit of the doubt.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    I don't think it inappropriate at all. If you read the entire thread from beginning to end, the guy has been insinuating all along that Vudu has broken the GPL by using Linux as their OS and not acknowledging any GPL code. He is insisting the absence of smoke proves there is fire. Ed is pointing out the obvious but he's doing it in a nice way. We can't accept his premise if there is no proof. Period.

    I think it is inappropriate to come on the board and insinuate that Vudu has broken a licensing law without any proof of such.

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  • StevenRushing
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    Can you please point to your source for this statement? I'd like to see a link to the reference. If you can't provide a valid source, we pretty much have to reject your premise.
    This is truly inappropriate. You could have left your comments to the first two sentences, and gotten the same result. We are all adults and would have understood what you meant. Adding the 3rd sentence is tantamount to calling the guy a liar, and really both inappropriate and completely unnecessary.

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