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  • MaxH
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Well, I believe them, but I understand that not everyone will. However, since they say the code is proprietary and isn't based on GPL code, someone someone who could be harmed if it was true and wants to claim damages would have to show some kind of proof or reason to a court that they're lying about it in order to get a lawsuit in front of a judge. While a company could try it, every employee who worked on or with the code would have to be willing to lie under oath, which anyone with enough forethought to manage a division, much less a company, must realize is virtually impossible.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    ERGO, they must not have used any GPL code. Case closed.
    EXACTLY. Why do you seem insistent on claiming Vudu is in breach of some license? Does the absence of smoke prove there is fire? Why don't you trust that Vudu has followed all applicable laws and regulations?
    Last edited by Nded; 12-25-2007, 03:54 PM.

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  • Nded
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    Originally posted by qz3fwd View Post
    If it does use any GPL code, then I think the license must be documented and any and all source changes to the GPL code need to be made avaliable. There is no acknowledgement of the GPL anywhere. If it is used in whole or part I think this would put it in breach.
    ERGO, they must not have used any GPL code. Case closed.

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  • qz3fwd
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    If it does use any GPL code, then I think the license must be documented and any and all source changes to the GPL code need to be made avaliable. There is no acknowledgement of the GPL anywhere. If it is used in whole or part I think this would put it in breach.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by qz3fwd View Post
    I dont know how they confirmed linux, but IF true, wouldnt that mean vudu is in breach of the license?
    There are a lot of secure and closed Linux systems out there. Barracuda Networks uses a hardened Linux for their spam and web firewall systems (and I HIGHLY recommend their product). There's another anti-spam product that I can't remember the name of but it runs on a hardened Linux as well. Just because something runs under Linux doesn't mean the GPL applies. I think Vudu knows what they need to do in this area and not do.

    BTW-How long is the evangelist offer good for? By when do I need to use the coupon offer?
    (The email did not say "use by December 26'th 2007".
    The program is closed. I am not sure if invited participants can still get in, but no new applications are being accepted. Best to do is try and see if it works.

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  • RonV
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    Originally posted by qz3fwd View Post
    I dont know how they confirmed linux, but IF true, wouldnt that mean vudu is in breach of the license?
    No it doesn't mean that they have to publish the code. Just becuase a kernel is used doesn't mean that any of the custom VUDU code that was written using GPL source code or enhancing any exisitng GPL library.

    "Any software created with GPL tools must be released under the GPL."
    According to Stallman's "freedom 0", "The freedom to run the program, for any purpose", a free software licence must not impose such a restriction. In the case of the GPL, the program is only required to itself be released under the GPL if it includes GPL source code or it is linked with a GPL library.

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  • qz3fwd
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Merry Christmas All:


    I dont know how they confirmed linux, but IF true, wouldnt that mean vudu is in breach of the license?

    BTW-How long is the evangelist offer good for? By when do I need to use the coupon offer?
    (The email did not say "use by December 26'th 2007".

    Thanks

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  • qz3fwd
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    Finally found it:
    http://streamcentric.com/blog/?p=3

    "Hard drive analysis:
    >> 11 partitions?!
    >> Linux OS confirmed
    >> Most partitions appear to be encrypted, will check in detail shortly
    >> Because of the above, mount attempts on a Linux machine failed"



    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    Can you please point to your source for this statement? I'd like to see a link to the reference. If you can't provide a valid source, we pretty much have to reject your premise.

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  • RonV
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    Originally posted by BigReg View Post
    This is an interesting thread from an open source licensing and software business perspective. I'm not saying that I think Vudu has done anything wrong, but how does one know that a claimed proprietary piece of software is not actually encumbered by an open source or other license? Is everyone to be given the benefit of doubt?

    I know how real these issues are, I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 100 company in a group that primarily produces software. Sticky questions....
    There are organizations that will warranty that you are not building upon GNU/GPL code and its rather expensive. Its like title insurance for your software instead of your house.

    If I was writing commercial software and utilized licensed code I would also seek out protections from the licensor with guarantees.

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  • Nded
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    I was just now thinking about those stupid whistle blower commercials run by the Software Piracy Association. The gist of the message was that if your company has any current or former employees, you can not expect to get away with software piracy. The same theory would seem to apply to Open Source violations. Any company scuzy enough to break the rules will eventually get exposed.

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  • Nded
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    Yeah, how do you prove a negative? Anything less than showing your complete proprietary source code will not satisfy the sceptic. At that point, your intellectual property is lost because the sceptic is in a position to steal your code! So, who are the software police, and how do we know they weren't bribed to say that no Open Source was used?

    Then again, we could just trust most people to do the right thing.

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  • BigReg
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    Re: Vudu & Open Source?

    This is an interesting thread from an open source licensing and software business perspective. I'm not saying that I think Vudu has done anything wrong, but how does one know that a claimed proprietary piece of software is not actually encumbered by an open source or other license? Is everyone to be given the benefit of doubt?

    I know how real these issues are, I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 100 company in a group that primarily produces software. Sticky questions....

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  • Nded
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    Originally posted by qz3fwd View Post
    Some suggested that the Vudu software stack is in part based on or uses some part of either Linux or open source software.
    Can you please point to your source for this statement? I'd like to see a link to the reference. If you can't provide a valid source, we pretty much have to reject your premise.

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  • Nded
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    Originally posted by qz3fwd View Post
    I understand. Didnt expect such a negative response though.
    Please don't take this as negative, just practical. I was one of the original hackers of the ReplayTV back in the 20th century. I understand what your thinking, and how interesting it can be.

    Understand that this forum is for supporting the Vudu and Vudu users within the boundaries of the terms of service, which specificially prohibits you from doing what you are likely to try. If you do this, despite being advised to not do so, it has to be at your own risk. The last thing Vudu needs is a thread that tells folks how to violate the term of service, and may possibly destroy their system.

    You might want to open a project on Sourceforge or some other place. I would not object to you letting like minded Vudu owners know where you are conducting your experiment. We'll just make it clear right up front that it is not Vudu authorized, and you do so completely at your own risk. So feel free to tinker, just understand that nobody from Vudu is going to give you direct answers to some questions. Think of it as a challenge, and have fun (at your own risk of course)!

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by qz3fwd View Post
    True-But a bit for bit drive copy might still boot, then the next step is to figure out how to expand the partition. Alternatively, depending on the partition layout, the box MAY utilize the remaining drive space. It sure would void the warranty and you could end up with an expensive doorstop for sure.

    Someone will eventually do it.

    Just intrested in how the system works.
    Well, I don't know all the details, but it's possible that the box can report back the amount of drive space available to Vudu. So based on the box ID, Vudu could know how much space you are "supposed" to have. If the box has 600 Gig of free space when it's supposed to be a 250 Gig box, they could simply deactivate it...

    I don't know if they would do this, but given the capabilities, it's possible to do..

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