Re: Arbitrariness in Moderation
rstone,
I can certainly appreciate and respect how you feel. Constructive feedback regarding our conduct is always welcomed, however, I feel that I acted well within the rules. The guideline says that there are limitations to the off-topic chatter. I felt that the census post was relevant only in the beginning of this thread. After that, there was about 10 to 12 posts that strayed to far afield that I felt did not have the purpose of helping "vudu customers with questions or problems with their VUDUs" (Posting Guideline #3). While we do allow the occasional joke here and there, I felt that 10 to 12 lengthy posts were too much. You may disagree with that, as is your right.
I would to point out though that my original post, regarding political talks, was not targeted at you only. I apologize if it came across that way.
As for the separate thread you started, it was locked for the same reason. I did not feel that such a topic would benefit VUDU users in relation to the product.
NA9D,
Please refrain from personal attacks. Use of derogatory terms towards another member of the forum is out of line.
To All,
I would like to respectfully remind everyone that this forum is owned by VUDU and as such VUDU has the right to not only set the rules but interpret them as VUDU sees fit. Our goal though is to promote open communication, regarding VUDU and related fields. If anyone has any issues with this please feel free to PM me to discuss it further.
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Re: Arbitrariness in Moderation
rstone, chill out dude. in fact every should just watch a movie or something and stop debating politics on the internet.
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This is why vBulletin has an "Ignore" feature.
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Re: Arbitrariness in Moderation
Originally posted by NA9D View PostWe've requested this time and time again.
Rstone, the point is that your discussion on the Census was not just a one or two thread discussion, it was WAY off topic from the original post. And what ticked off me and others was when you were politely requested to stop YOU DIDN'T!.
Originally posted by NA9D View PostIf I was moderating these forums, I would have split the thread out and let it continue on its own.
Originally posted by NA9D View PostYou were wrong for insisting you were right.
Originally posted by NA9D View PostI'm an *** sometimes on these forums as well.
Originally posted by NA9D View PostI was also a moderator of this whole dang forum. in fact, I and others had admin privileges here. We were moderated out of our jobs a few months ago! Did we wine about it?
No, next time when someone ask me to do something that ARE NOT a violation of the rules, I'll be sure to speak up so that every customer on here is treated fairly, and not arbitrarily by a select few.
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Originally posted by mebby View PostMaybe we should ask to see if we can get an off-topic forum for general chatter. I do realize that there are countless places on the internet that you can discuss and debate anything under the sun but sometimes it is nice to do that with a group of people that you're already somewhat familiar with (like the Vudu community here).
At www.planetvudu.com, we welcome all discussions both off topic and on topic about Vudu. If you want to go someplace to have useless banter and chatter, this site is wide open and is available.
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We've requested this time and time again.
Rstone, the point is that your discussion on the Census was not just a one or two thread discussion, it was WAY off topic from the original post. And what ticked off me and others was when you were politely requested to stop YOU DIDN'T! You just acted like a crybaby and kept on and on ranting and insisting you had a right to do so.
If I was moderating these forums, I would have split the thread out and let it continue on its own. But if you thumbed your nose at me and my request to stop the thread and move back on topic, I would likely suspend your posting privileges for a day or two until you calm down. Moderation is a tricky subject. People get defensive (as you so artfully demonstrated) when they get told to shut up. But yet others get turned off and turn away from the thread or the forums when it goes on too long. So you have to walk a fine line and I think Jimmy did a good job at that.
You were wrong for insisting you were right.
I'm an *** sometimes on these forums as well. Just the other week, I went off on Tamanaco and insulted him. I got called on it. I didn't swear, didn't use foul language but instead questioned his intelligence in a negative way. I got moderated to the extend that Vudu employees edited my post and put text in big red letters that I was not to attack others. What did I do? Well, I removed the red letters, but I also immediately apologized to Vudu and publicly apologized to the forum and to Tamanaco as well. I didn't dig in my heels and demand I was arbitrarily moderated.
I was also a moderator of this whole dang forum. in fact, I and others had admin privileges here. We were moderated out of our jobs a few months ago! Did we wine about it? No, we were adults and acted as such and have continued to be a positive force in this community.
Next time, you may wish to reconsider your actions when you are asked to change a certain behavior.
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Maybe we should ask to see if we can get an off-topic forum for general chatter. I do realize that there are countless places on the internet that you can discuss and debate anything under the sun but sometimes it is nice to do that with a group of people that you're already somewhat familiar with (like the Vudu community here).
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Well at least they don't delete the thread and pretend it was never there. They just close it which still keeps it viewable.
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Arbitrariness in Moderation
Apparently there is now some unwritten rule that is in opposition to a current rule that allows off-topic chatter among like-minded individuals, unless that off-topic discussion is something VUDU decides arbitrarily isn't worthy of discussion.
Talking about Cheese products = GOOD
Talking about Politics in U.S. = BAD!
Talking about Alcohol drinks = GOOD
Talking about Global Warming = BAD!
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