Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

[Speedaddict81]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Do the movies that you can watch on Vudu even exist on Flixster? I have checked several, and I have not found a single UV title available on Flixster that I own and that I cannot watch. I am thinking that the UV titles that are not available are due to Flixster not having the movie or not having digital rights to the movie and has nothing to do with UV. In addition, if you own the SD copy of a movie, they may only have the HD copy and may not allow you to view the movie.

I have found that titles are missing from Flixster and CinemaNow, and even the UV site. But once they add their digital copies you should have access to them since you have a UV license.

Again, I may be wrong here but this is what I have observed over the past year.

I think he meant if Flixster doesn't have the rights, but Vudu does, it will obviously not show up on Flixster (I have a Sony title that shows up nowhere but Sony and UV because it is the extended version, which no one seems to have). The one that really struggles with the UV/vendor specific content is CinemaNow, even when a title becomes UV they will often not grant a UV license if it was purchased previously.

I see no reason why all vendors should be required to carry all titles, that would eat at the competitive nature of the business. Again, once CFF is released it won't matter who has a film (if they have 1080p content), as I will download everything for which I own a license and have them on a server so I can stream them to myself.

And, I hope this means Disney will be stepping into the UV scene (perhaps the DMR codes or some other proof of purchase will get you access to previously purchased titles, even if for a "small" fee). I don't have numbers, but I feel like they've had good success with their EST offerings...I've even been tempted to buy some on Vudu instead of shelling out $25+ for a Combo pack from which only the Blu-ray will be used.

[LuzRinggold]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Sorry to burst your bubble but there ARE movies that Vudu has UV rights for but not Flixster as I still have 11 UV movies (4 are Marvel FYI) I can watch in Vudu but not Flixster. Flixster only recently obtained the rights to play UV DreamWorks movies. Cinemanow and M-Go were even worse at obtaining UV rights last I checked. Every UV retailer has to have rights to a movie in your collection or they can't play it. It sucks and goes against the UV mantra and you have reminded everyone but it is a fact right now.

Do the movies that you can watch on Vudu even exist on Flixster? I have checked several, and I have not found a single UV title available on Flixster that I own and that I cannot watch. I am thinking that the UV titles that are not available are due to Flixster not having the movie or not having digital rights to the movie and has nothing to do with UV. In addition, if you own the SD copy of a movie, they may only have the HD copy and may not allow you to view the movie.

I have found that titles are missing from Flixster and CinemaNow, and even the UV site. But once they add their digital copies you should have access to them since you have a UV license.

Again, I may be wrong here but this is what I have observed over the past year.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

That being said, I doubt anything will happen with VUDU unless they are effected by a major earthquake or something like that (to my knowledge they don't have a backup site).

The Vudu corporate offices in Santa Claire do not house the system which provides their service. Geographic redundancy is common practice. That way, if one site goes OOS (out of service) it does not have an affect on the product. This is normally done with DNS records, but can be done through pure IP at the client application level.

That is because it would go against everything that UV is. So what is UltraViolet? It is a movie industry standard that allows you to securely store your digital movie collection in the cloud. Once you have created and linked your UV and VUDU accounts, you can:

1. Store your DVDs & Blu-rays in the cloud and watch them on any device compatible with the service you use.
2. Watch any of your UltraViolet titles from ANY retailer or participating studio for free.

I like how the UltraViolet site puts it..."Total Freedom". Any UV participating company, like VUDU, is suppose to allow you free access to your UV titles.

IMHO, UV is really nothing more then a database with each user having one table.

Title Name, HD, SD, Vendor Purchased From, Purchase Date.

Each user has their own table in the database and this information is shared among UV content providers. Obviously there is more to it then that, but boil it down and it is just a database. A pretty simple one at that.

Each content provider will connect to this centrized database either via an IP/SEC tunnel over public internet or via a privet P2P connection. We do not know which because this information is reserved to UV members. Regardless, the content providers make database calls to the centerlized UV database to find what UV titles a given user has. If I had to guess, UV content providers need connect via a point-to-point (P2P) connection, as that is a little more secure.

The delta between M-Go, Vudu, and Flixster, CinimaNow, etc., is what they have in their library. Vudu has the most HD and to my estimation, the gold standard of titles available. It is entirely possible that Flixster will not have a title that Vudu does, no matter if it is UV or not. I have several in my library that are UV which Flixster and M-Go do not have yet, but Vudu does. I am sure everyone else is the same in this respect.

I do agree though. For new releases, none come to memory so Flixster not having it listed seems to indicate a Disney/Walmart->Vudu special offer.

However, it is suspicious that the redemption page is the one for Ultraviolet instead of the Walmart Special Offers. Flixster is known to me to be a lethargic origination as far as updating their application. Maybe it is going to be UV, but Flixster just has not gotten around to adding it yet. Alternatively, perhaps Flixster is holding their guns until Disney does a press release.

We will know in about three weeks. Maybe sooner.

[Starkenator]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

That is because it would go against everything that UV is. So what is UltraViolet? It is a movie industry standard that allows you to securely store your digital movie collection in the cloud. Once you have created and linked your UV and VUDU accounts, you can:

1. Store your DVDs & Blu-rays in the cloud and watch them on any device compatible with the service you use.
2. Watch any of your UltraViolet titles from ANY retailer or participating studio for free.

I like how the UltraViolet site puts it..."Total Freedom". Any UV participating company, like VUDU, is suppose to allow you free access to your UV titles.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there ARE movies that Vudu has UV rights for but not Flixster as I still have 11 UV movies (4 are Marvel FYI) I can watch in Vudu but not Flixster. Flixster only recently obtained the rights to play UV DreamWorks movies. Cinemanow and M-Go were even worse at obtaining UV rights last I checked. Every UV retailer has to have rights to a movie in your collection or they can't play it. It sucks and goes against the UV mantra and you have reminded everyone but it is a fact right now.

[swiss21]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Unless studios have the discretion to decide or limit redemption paths. UV assures access to your collection from any UV streamer but it doesn't mention anything about universal redemption. Knowing Disney, they will want total control over redemption and could limit potential redeems to DisneyUV.com or select partners like VUDU. Wouldn't that be allowed?

[LuzRinggold]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

I honestly can't think of any new releases in recent memory that had UV rights on Vudu but not Flixster. It is Disney though so you never know. I still don't think this will be UV.

That is because it would go against everything that UV is. So what is UltraViolet? It is a movie industry standard that allows you to securely store your digital movie collection in the cloud. Once you have created and linked your UV and VUDU accounts, you can:

1. Store your DVDs & Blu-rays in the cloud and watch them on any device compatible with the service you use.
2. Watch any of your UltraViolet titles from ANY retailer or participating studio for free.

I like how the UltraViolet site puts it..."Total Freedom". Any UV participating company, like VUDU, is suppose to allow you free access to your UV titles.

[Starkenator]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Maybe Disney didn't give Flixster UV rights and only Vudu. Only time will tell. I probably won't get this movie but I hope that Disney joins UV for families that want to share kid movies and now that Disney owns the distribution rights to more adult movies.

I honestly can't think of any new releases in recent memory that had UV rights on Vudu but not Flixster. It is Disney though so you never know. I still don't think this will be UV.

[LuzRinggold]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Maybe Disney didn't give Flixster UV rights and only Vudu. Only time will tell. I probably won't get this movie but I hope that Disney joins UV for families that want to share kid movies and now that Disney owns the distribution rights to more adult movies.

UV is different from digital copies. This movie will not be UV.

Having a disc with a digital copy available through VUDU is fine, but VUDU digital copy is not UltraViolet. What happens to your digital copy if something happens with VUDU or if their service should be down? You don't have access to your movie. If the movie is UV then you would most likely still have access through another service.

That being said, I doubt anything will happen with VUDU unless they are effected by a major earthquake or something like that (to my knowledge they don't have a backup site).

[mike568]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Good point. There is no redeem link on Flixster yet.

Maybe Disney didn't give Flixster UV rights and only Vudu. Only time will tell. I probably won't get this movie but I hope that Disney joins UV for families that want to share kid movies and now that Disney owns the distribution rights to more adult movies.

[echopulse]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Maybe Disney is testing the waters for an eventual UV luanch. They could be waiting to see how many people activate their vudu digital copy VS iTunes. Maybe if they see a lot of demand on vudu, they will join the UV movement. I know I will be buying this.

[asumovieman]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

I see no difference from the typical UV redeem site on vudu and the one for this movie but the fact that there is not one on flixster is telling. BUT the good news is that there will be a VUDU copy with some disc (probably Walmart exclusive copy).

[Starkenator]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Interesting? Of course I hope it is but I tend to believe that it will be a VUDU only code from a Walmart exclusive?

Good point. There is no redeem link on Flixster yet.

[LuzRinggold]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The redemption code is for VUDU digital copy only. It's not the typical UV redemption code and nowhere have I seen that Disney will release this movie, or any other movie, as an UltraViolet title.

[E55KEV]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

I posted this somewhere else, but I wanted to make a new thread for this instead thinking it may prompt a quicker response from the Mods. I found this link on the UV redemption page. I'm not saying this alone confirms this will be Disney's first UV release, but it at least opens the discussion. I know Disney released Toy Story 3 with a VUDU only copy, so it could be that, but what if it's not? I also thought I'd get help from my fellow members. Let's do some digging on this!

http://www.vudu.com/redeemecopy.html?eccid=417433

Interesting? Of course I hope it is but I tend to believe that it will be a VUDU only code from a Walmart exclusive?

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The only thing Disney likes more than press is money.

It is true. Money is a principle motivating factor. In the consumer entertainment industry, it is the nimble company that survives. Lethargy does not translate well into profits in this market.

You make a good point.