Gay/Lesbian Genre

[paulrus]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

I've actually suggested a way to "screen out" genres from even being browsed, which would make some people here happy. I know I'd like to use that to temporarily screen out all horror flicks when I'm browsing for movies with my five year old daughter. Some of the movie posters are pretty disturbing.

Totally agree here! I have a 5 year old daughter as well.

Meta tags would be great and even though they'd have a lot of catch-up to do, it's really not something that couldn't be handled by a few temps over a couple of weeks.

[rstone]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

But the films are NOT a genre.

Well technically according to the definition of genre it is a class or category of a particular form, and content, making it a genre, per se.

Although, I do get your point about how that opens the door to all sorts of sub-cultures.

Why must I know what that choice is? I don't spout my sexual preferences in public. Why must the homosexual community do the same?

I've been saying the same thing about religious people to for a long time, but they just can't seem to seperate their personal belief from politics and find it necessary to push their values and beliefs on Americans everyday.

[NA9D]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

I've been saying the same thing about religious people to for a long time, but they just can't seem to seperate their personal belief from politics and find it necessary to push their values and beliefs on Americans everyday.

It's evident from the writings of the founding fathers that religion has a place in society and religious people in government. Look at all references to God in places such as our money, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

People of faith "push" their faith because it's something important to them and they are passionate about it. They believe it to be truth and what is right. Some over do it but most don't. You can choose to listen. The Constitution guarantees no one a right to be heard - only to speak.

Politics is directly tied to personal beliefs and religion and faith is a personal belief. The two cannot be separated. Any other view is fantasy.

[rstone]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

It's evident from the writings of the founding fathers that religion has a place in society and religious people in government. Look at all references to God in places such as our money, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Lets not forget that In 1782 Jefferson, who coined the phrase "wall of separation between church and state", authored the first national motto "E Pluribus Unum," which was this first motto and still part of the great seal of the United States. This motto appeared on the first coin in 1798. It was not until 1865 (78 years after the country was founded) that any reference to God was added to ANY coins, and not until 1909 (122 years later) that it was to appear on all coins and not 1956 (169 years later) that it was added to paper money. I hardly call that a decision of our founding fathers, and should be referred to as the national myth.

As for the Constitution itself and the Bill of Rights neither mention the word "God", and although you are correct that the Declaration of Independence does mention specifically both "God" and "Creator" at its start, you have to remember that our founding fathers were seeking to remove god from politics as they had endured in England, which is why they wrote that "all governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed", and not God, as was believed in England.

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document for this nation. What this means is that it has no authority over our laws, our lawmakers, or ourselves. It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the official role of the Declaration was finished.

And while you can argue that the document expressed the will of the same people who wrote the Constitution, and thus, it provides knowledge about their intent as to what sort of government we should have, there are still serious flaws to consider.

First, religion itself is never mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. This makes it difficult to argue that any particular religious principles should guide our current government.

Second, what little is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is only barely compatible with Christianity, the religion most people have in mind when making the above argument. The Declaration refers to "Nature's God," "Creator," etc. These are all terms used in the sort of deism which was common among many of those responsible for the American Revolution as well as the philosophers upon whom they relied for support. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, was himself a deist who was opposed to many traditional Christian doctrines, in particular beliefs about the supernatural.

Finally, the Declaration of Independence also makes it clear that governments created by humanity derive their powers from the consent of the governed, not from any gods. This is why the Constitution does not make any mention of any gods. There is no reason to think that there is anything illegitimate about an interpretation of any of the rights outlined in the Constitution merely because it runs contrary to what some people think that their conception of a god would want.

What this all means is that arguments against the separation of church and state which rely upon the language of the Declaration of Independence fail. First, the document in question has no legal authority with which one could make a legal case. Second, the sentiments expressed do not support the principle that government should be guided either by any specific religion (like Christianity) or by religion "in general" (as if such a thing even existed).

[NA9D]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

We could have a lot of fun with this one because if you go back and read other writings of the founders you will see into their intent and beliefs behind the Constitution. I agree with what you stated regarding the Declaration and about the Constitution. The Constitution was left intentionally vague as a legal document. The establishment clause was there specifically to prevent a state church from being enacted as it was in England. In other words it was put in there to keep the state out of the Church. It was not put in there to keep religious people out of government.

While it would be fun to debate this further, this would be way beyond the scope of this forum and this thread. So let's just file this away and enjoy our Vudus!

[paulrus]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

Yikes - can this get back on topic?

I'm an armchair apologist and I can pretty much dismantle any atheists argument - but AFAIK, this is the movie request forum, not the religious debate forum.

[Nded]

Re: Gay/Lesbian Genre

Why was this genre removed?

The OP listed above has been answered as much as possible (read this thread). I'm locking this thread to encourage our prolific posters to focus on Vudu topics. Please Private Message me if you have any questions about this matter.

Now go watch a movie!