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    #31
    Re: Resolution of Component Connection

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Since DVI does not support HDCP, I have a couple questions:

    1.) How does HDMI to DVI adapters work with HDCP?
    DVI and HDMI are identical from a Video perspective, and DVI devices can answer the HDCP handshake (my projector is DVI, it connects to my Vudu via an HDMI>DVI adapter, and it responds to the Vudu that it supports 1080i). The real difference is HDMI has audio, and DVI does not.

    2.) Could you then go HDMI to DVI to component?
    No. DVI is digital, component is analog.

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      #32
      Re: Resolution of Component Connection

      Originally posted by Nded View Post
      DVI and HDMI are identical from a Video perspective, and DVI devices can answer the HDCP handshake (my projector is DVI, it connects to my Vudu via an HDMI>DVI adapter, and it responds to the Vudu that it supports 1080i). The real difference is HDMI has audio, and DVI does not.
      OK. I thought that DVI didn't support HDCP as well as not having audio. My Comcast cable box has a DVI output but it won't work because of HDCP even though my TV is HDCP compliant.



      No. DVI is digital, component is analog.
      I know that, silly. I meant if you could get a DVI to Component converter box if that would enable getting around the HDCP issue...

      There's a lot of people that have component only HDTVs...

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        #33
        Re: Resolution of Component Connection

        You just have to remember that it's a legal issue, not a technical issue. One could build such a device, it just wouldn't be legal to sell it in the U.S.

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          #34
          Re: Resolution of Component Connection

          Originally posted by Nded View Post
          You just have to remember that it's a legal issue, not a technical issue. One could build such a device, it just wouldn't be legal to sell it in the U.S.
          That was my biggest question - legality. So it would be illegal to convert HDCP HDMI to component video...

          Sad...

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            #35
            Re: Resolution of Component Connection

            Originally posted by NA9D View Post
            That was my biggest question - legality. So it would be illegal to convert HDCP HDMI to component video...

            Sad...
            My understanding is that this type of activity wouldn't last long anyways, as there are ways to revoke keys so that your funny HDCP device can be remotely disabled by the HDCP kings.

            -- Greg

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              #36
              Re: Resolution of Component Connection

              Originally posted by Greg View Post
              My understanding is that this type of activity wouldn't last long anyways, as there are ways to revoke keys so that your funny HDCP device can be remotely disabled by the HDCP kings.

              -- Greg
              Wow - OK. They really have it locked down tight. Not that I want to use it for nefarious purposes - I don't. It would just be nice to be able to have the option to get HDMI down to component video so that you have more HD hookup options...

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                #37
                Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                The HDMICP encryption goes way beyond the old serial copy protection bit that was used on PCM devices. Heck when I was a mini disc fan I was easily able to construct a copy bit stripper for the coax and opitical connections.

                HDMI has an extensive licencing and compliance testing requirement. http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/testing_policies.aspx

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                  #38
                  Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                  So someone could come up with a device using the HDMI interface that isn't tested to compliance.

                  We've gone way off the original topic of the thread, but unless there are licensing issues to even be able to use the HDMI connectors and standards, then what would prevent someone from developing a device that would work as suggested? There certainly isn't specific legislation although I suppose that since the input stream does have encryption, it would be covered under DMCA.

                  The interesting thing about the info you posted, Ron from the HDMI website is this:

                  Successful completion of the Compliance Test Specification or ATC Testing does not guarantee that any product will conform to the High-Definition Multimedia Interfaces, function correctly or interoperate with any other product. Each Adopter is solely responsible for ensuring that its products function correctly, fully comply with the HDMI Specification and Adopter Agreement, and interoperate with other products.
                  What a recipe for disaster!

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                    #39
                    Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                    What a recipe for disaster!
                    Yes that is what happens when you have "Designed by a Committee"

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                      #40
                      Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                      There is no reason the Vudu should be limited to 480p.

                      The next time Vudu licensing folks talk to the studios, they need to point out that DISH and DIRECTV both have 1080i component video outputs on their boxes, including the DVR models.

                      I believe the current limitation will frustrate users with olded equipment, like myself.

                      Cheers, gj

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                        #41
                        Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                        Originally posted by Audiojoe View Post
                        There is no reason the Vudu should be limited to 480p.

                        The next time Vudu licensing folks talk to the studios, they need to point out that DISH and DIRECTV both have 1080i component video outputs on their boxes, including the DVR models.

                        I believe the current limitation will frustrate users with olded equipment, like myself.

                        Cheers, gj
                        All upconverting DVD players on the market today only have 480p out of component video. I think the same is true of things like Blue-Ray and HD-DVD. I believe that devices like those are the category that Vudu falls into. Maybe there is a "looser" standard for TV content...

                        I agree with you, however...

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                          #42
                          Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                          Here is an article on something called the ICT (Image Constraint Token):

                          http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-i...aint-token.htm

                          Basically, the studios have the capability and reserve the right to force devices to downgrade their resolution for HD over the analog outputs. It is built into every player. The studios can do it on an individual title basis. The only reason they haven't done it yet is that more people have non-HDCP compliant sets than compliant ones. If they were to exercise that right now, it would really hurt HD DVD and BluRay's chances of success. Notice that they don't seem to mind hurting Vudu's chances. Who knows, they may enforce this on all disks at some point.

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                            #43
                            Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                            My new HD DirectTV receiver has a note in the box about some HD shows ,using the analog connectors (component), may not display at 720p or higher due to broadcaster limitations. Even DirectTV is feeling the licensing pinch or prepping for a snowball of limitations on HD by content providers.

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                              #44
                              Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                              Originally posted by RonV View Post
                              My new HD DirectTV receiver has a note in the box about some HD shows ,using the analog connectors (component), may not display at 720p or higher due to broadcaster limitations. Even DirectTV is feeling the licensing pinch or prepping for a snowball of limitations on HD by content providers.
                              Can anyone say Broadcast Flags? The content providers wanted the FCC to force TV manufacturers into complying with the Broadcast Flag concept. I believe Congress stepped in and told the FCC they don't have that power and so it was never codified into law. Still, I think every TV set manufacturer has followed suit and adopted what the providers are asking for so that they won't be on a blacklist of some sort...

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                                #45
                                Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                                Can anyone say Broadcast Flags? The content providers wanted the FCC to force TV manufacturers into complying with the Broadcast Flag concept. I believe Congress stepped in and told the FCC they don't have that power and so it was never codified into law. Still, I think every TV set manufacturer has followed suit and adopted what the providers are asking for so that they won't be on a blacklist of some sort...
                                Yes but Satellite and Cable programming providers are outside of the legislation. The focus of this legislation was for "Local Broadcast" providers only. One of my Chicago buddies just got his Comcast DVR updated to TiVo software. The installing tech made comment that some shows may not be recordable in the future. Its here and all its going to take is someone to flip a switch.

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