How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

[mkwillia]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

I read earlier in this post that someone had a Sony XBR4 and it is working great. Well, I have the same set and I cannot get the Vudu box to accept the 1080p option. It keeps going back to the 1080i (recommended by tv) option.

Now I have my vudu box connected to a receiver (Onkyo 875) that passes through a 1080p/24 signal. (via my PS3). I am confused. Please help.

Mike

[NA9D]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

My current Aquos has film mode but I can't really tell of anyway to determine if it works correctly or not.

My LG has some sort of 3:2 mode in some cases. Not sure what it does either...

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

The answer to Hodge's question is that (AFAIK), the content Vudu gets from the studios is 24 fps. I think this has been posted elsewhere. It's not been affected by 3:2 pulldown. This is part of the reason Vudu chose to pretty much only support 24 fps with 1080p because that's the frame rate of the movies.

Now, getting from 24 fps to 30 fps for 1080i would require 2:3 pulldown that I'm sure the box handles just fine.

Thanks!! True or not, I believe that answers my question.

When I get my new Samsung I'll report back if there is any significant difference.

My current Aquos has film mode but I can't really tell of anyway to determine if it works correctly or not.

[NA9D]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

The answer to Hodge's question is that (AFAIK), the content Vudu gets from the studios is 24 fps. I think this has been posted elsewhere. It's not been affected by 3:2 pulldown. This is part of the reason Vudu chose to pretty much only support 24 fps with 1080p because that's the frame rate of the movies.

Now, getting from 24 fps to 30 fps for 1080i would require 3:2 pulldown that I'm sure the box handles just fine.

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

I thought some more about your response and something just doesn't ring true. So your clarification would be appreciated.

Are you saying that if I set the VUDU box to output 1080/60i that VUDU spits out in essence 1080/24i instead ??

When selecting 1080i the VUDU is emitting 30 fps as the 1080i standard implies. This easily maps into the 60 Hz refresh frequency of most panels. How the 24 fps video is mapped into a 60 Hz frequency is magically with secure algorithms.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

The VUDU doesn't present 3:2:3 commonly known as 3:2 pull-down. That is a artifact of DVD video being sent to 60 fps devices which when implemented produces "Judder".

The VUDU produces the pure 24 fps video and if 1080i is the chosen output format its up to the panel to re-assemble the two frames to create the one frame. That process is dependent again on the manufacture of the panel.

Isn't this HD technology wonderful everything just just plug and play.

I thought some more about your response and something just doesn't ring true. So your clarification would be appreciated.

Are you saying that if I set the VUDU box to output 1080/60i that VUDU spits out in essence 1080/24i instead ??

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

The whole thing gives me the Judders

Take a look at this if you really want to get the Judders:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judder

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

The VUDU doesn't present 3:2:3 commonly known as 3:2 pull-down. That is a artifact of DVD video being sent to 60 fps devices which when implemented produces "Judder".

The VUDU produces the pure 24 fps video and if 1080i is the chosen output format its up to the panel to re-assemble the two frames to create the one frame. That process is dependent again on the manufacture of the panel.

Isn't this HD technology wonderful everything just just plug and play.

The whole thing gives me the Judders

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

So maybe another way to ask the question is to ask is if the VUDU movies are native 24fps then does the VUDU box telecine the video to output 1080i??

The VUDU doesn't present 3:2:3 commonly known as 3:2 pull-down. That is a artifact of DVD video being sent to 60 fps devices which when implemented produces "Judder".

The VUDU produces the pure 24 fps video and if 1080i is the chosen output format its up to the panel to re-assemble the two frames to create the one frame. That process is dependent again on the manufacture of the panel.

Isn't this HD technology wonderful everything just just plug and play.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

VUDU does Movies at 24 fps. Just make sure you new pannel supports 1080p24. On TV shows I am not sure. If you read AVS forum even though a lot of them say 1080p24 they still do some interesting things with refresh with 24 fps video.

So maybe another way to ask the question is to ask is if the VUDU movies are native 24fps then does the VUDU box telecine the video to output 1080i??

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

VUDU does Movies at 24 fps. Just make sure you new pannel supports 1080p24. On TV shows I am not sure. If you read AVS forum even though a lot of them say 1080p24 they still do some interesting things with refresh with 24 fps video.

Yea I've been lurking their forum alot and some tv's have a thing called "film mode" and it's supposedly able to detect the 3:2:3 cadence of a telecine'd video and then de-telecine it back to 24fps. But as far as I can tell nome of the tv's out now are really able to do it or do it properly.

So that's one of the reasons I'm asking, is wheter VUDU is doing the de-telecine before encoding or if the content providers are doing that before giving the content to VUDU, or if it's being done at all.

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Does anyone out there (hint hint, Vudu encoders) know if the content that's provided by the studios to VUDU is in it's original 24fps format or in the NTSC 3:2 pulldown telecine format?

And also does anyone know if content that is in telecine format (i.e. TV episodes) are they converted (reverse telecine) to native 24fps before encoding it?

I ask because I'm trying to make sure I buy the right tv and would like to know what VUDU is providing content wise via 1080/24p.

Thanks in advance

VUDU does Movies at 24 fps. Just make sure you new pannel supports 1080p24. On TV shows I am not sure. If you read AVS forum even though a lot of them say 1080p24 they still do some interesting things with refresh with 24 fps video.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Does anyone out there (hint hint, Vudu encoders) know if the content that's provided by the studios to VUDU is in it's original 24fps format or in the NTSC 3:2 pulldown telecine format?

And also does anyone know if content that is in telecine format (i.e. TV episodes) are they converted (reverse telecine) to native 24fps before encoding it?

I ask because I'm trying to make sure I buy the right tv and would like to know what VUDU is providing content wise via 1080/24p.

Thanks in advance

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

My in-laws just bought a 46" 120Hz Samsung LCD - really nice picture! ...I'm soooooooo jealous.

And yes it does 1080p 24 Hz.

Hagen

Do you know if it was A650 or A71 model?

After doing lot's of work looking for my next LCD, I narrowed it down to either Samsung, Sony, or Toshiba. I'm usually a Aquos person, but they didn't pass mustard in this go around.

The one I've finally decided to buy is the Samsung 52" A650.

Since I'm buying mostly for it's 120Hz and 1080/24p for VUDU and other 24fps movie sources, I would appreciate feedback from anyone (either good or bad) before I pull the trigger.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...-20#automotion

[Rusdude]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Yes that site is very intimidating and there a battles going on everywhere. From my perspective they are way to **** for me and get into such fine details it just turns off a lot of folks.

I get headaches just going over the tech specs and how pull-down is handled myself. No matter what you buy somebody is going to complain about it or find something better. I used to be that **** about TV's and audio, but not anymore.

AVS isn't very hostile forum, but +1 for **** comments. Still, I don't know if anything will be able to eclipse BRD vs HD-DVD battle. Those threads got way out of control even on AVS.