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    Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/C...rottling-89571

    I'd love for a mod or someone who works for VuDu to comment on how this affects the VuDu movie distribution method - I don't see too many other threads about the topic.
    Do the limitations not matter since per user upstream isn't that much? Does VuDu traffic not appear as P2P traffic to ISP's?

    Just curious...

    Thanks,
    -Tave
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    Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

    We have had active beta testers on those dirty rotten cheapskate ISP's for some time now, and nobody has reported any problem. It is to Vudu's advantage that the downstream requirement is fairly small (2MB) compared to the total bandwidth that most broadband users are being sold. Also, the period of traffic is relatively short (a couple hours) vs. the heavy Bit Torrent users that try to run at full throttle 24/7.

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      Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

      Originally posted by Nded View Post
      Also, the period of traffic is relatively short (a couple hours)
      I see that for the downstream traffic but what about upstream? I assume that my box is streaming content at all hours of the day to the thousands (and hopefully hundreds of thousands, evuntually) of VuDu customers out there.

      I have not had time to set up packet monitoring on my VuDu to see how much traffic actually goes outbound on an average day but I certainly am curious....

      -T

      *Edit* - Sry, forgot to search before posting:
      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
      Paul,
      Good to know and yeah, when the box isn't streaming or doing database updates, the downlink traffic is pretty minimal. Uplink trends around 100 to 200 kbps and as high as 300 kbps depending on requirements. But it never stays at 300 kbps for more than a few minutes - it's not at all constant.

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        #4
        Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

        I have cox here in AZ.. So far I have not had any P2P issues with torrents as of yet.. I know people who have comcast in different states who have issues with torrents.

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          #5
          Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

          I wouldn't worry at this time. The VUDU is not BitTorrent so their P2P filters will not intercept the protocol. But you never know ISP's learn fast.

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            #6
            Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

            I think that the Vudu will pretty much stay under the radar as it uses a max of about 200 kbps or so on the upstream and not for very long at any one time...It's not like serving multiple bit torrent requests and maxing out your upload for 72 hours straight.

            Of course, I'm in the middle of uploading 450 Gigs of data to Mozy. We'll see what Comcast says (but I'm on their business service - so far they haven't complained).

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              Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

              Originally posted by NA9D View Post
              I think that the Vudu will pretty much stay under the radar as it uses a max of about 200 kbps or so on the upstream and not for very long at any one time...It's not like serving multiple bit torrent requests and maxing out your upload for 72 hours straight.

              Of course, I'm in the middle of uploading 450 Gigs of data to Mozy. We'll see what Comcast says (but I'm on their business service - so far they haven't complained).
              If you dont mind me asking whats the costs like on business service vs normal?

              I used to have cox business services and you literally paid twice as much as residential and got the same speed just more open ports.

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                Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                Originally posted by AndrewAZ View Post
                If you dont mind me asking whats the costs like on business service vs normal?

                I used to have cox business services and you literally paid twice as much as residential and got the same speed just more open ports.
                The best residential service Comcast provides right now is 6M/768k. The best business service is 8M/1M. The 6M residential service costs around $55 a month I think. The normal price of the 8/1 business serivce is $145.

                I called the business account department and talked to a sales person. They had a promotion at the time where I could sign a 2 or 3 year contract for business service and get reduced costs. The 6M service was around $65.00 a month and the 8M service was $89 a month. With Speakeasy, I was paying about $83 a month for 3M/768k service after taxes. My DSL service was problematic and I wasn't getting anywhere near 3 Mb/sec. Vuduing was not so enjoyable having to wait for downloads!

                So I inked the 3 year deal. I also purchased 5 IPs. At the end of 3 years, I have the option to extend another year or take advantage of any current promotions at that time.

                Comcast Business doesn't do traffic shaping or limiting on their business service.

                The bad part is that if I want to cancel the contract I have to pay something like 70% of the remaining contract balance...

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                  Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                  I know that this thread is a bit old, but I thought I'd add my two cents... Sometimes it pays to be on a small player.

                  We have Comcast and Time Warner as the "big guns" in our area, but we chose a smaller "startup" (I say startup, but they've been around for years) to do business with. Their service is similar to Time Warner's, but without the bells and whistles... oh, and the millions of other customers. This means that they crank up their bandwidth speeds to compete, do not throttle, actually have great customer service (in fact, the agent I speak to regularly with my account wants to check out VUDU - I told him about it to ensure that my bandwidth was not flagged if things ever got "out of control").

                  But, I'd have to agree, I do not think that VUDU is or ever will be lumped with BitTorrent... the heart of the application and service is that of a legal one... yes, I do know that there are a multitude of level BitTorrent uses, but lets be realistic... the majority of its usage is crossing the legal line... So, with that in mind, I think that VUDU is safe from any of these bandwidth throttling issues.
                  - Scott

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                    Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                    VUDU should be welcomed by the ISP's since they don't cross that legal line and shouldn't induce any type of lawsuit and litigation difficulties.

                    Now some ISP's that are also in the content delivery business also (I don't have to name them) may object since it can take away some of their revenue stream.

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                      #11
                      Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                      At the end of the day, everyone is in content delivery, everyone has a conflict of interest... we need to just get along and give the users what they want... ok, off soapbox now.
                      - Scott

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                        Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                        Originally posted by sgoldblatt View Post
                        At the end of the day, everyone is in content delivery, everyone has a conflict of interest... we need to just get along and give the users what they want... ok, off soapbox now.
                        Agreed. If you build and advertise a network where users can get 10 or 20 Mb/sec download speeds, then you have to expect them to use it. If your infrastructure cannot support that speed, then you have no business marketing it that way.

                        I have no issue with tiered pricing where you pay a higher price to have truly unlimited bandwidth and not be blocked or anything. Most people never run into the limits so it wouldn't bother them.

                        I must say that I've been running a LOT of data on Comcast's Business service and no complaints from them yet. In the last 30 days I have used 73.3 GB download and 258 Gig upload for a total of over 330 GB. A large portion of the upload is due to the fact that I'm backing up hundreds of Gigs to Mozy...

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                          Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                          For those concerned that your provider may be interfering with VUDU's file transfers, you can actually check for yourself:
                          EFF Releases Reports and Software to Spot Interference with Internet Traffic

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                            Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                            Originally posted by MaxH View Post
                            For those concerned that your provider may be interfering with VUDU's file transfers, you can actually check for yourself:
                            EFF Releases Reports and Software to Spot Interference with Internet Traffic
                            No link on the site to said software...

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                              #15
                              Re: Cox now limiting P2P traffic (as well as comcast)

                              Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                              No link on the site to said software...
                              Here it is, it's in Python:

                              http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/pcapdiff/

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