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    #16
    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    The big thing Apple has going for it is name and price. But the 160 GB version is $329. Vudu gives you a 250 GB hard drive for $399. So the pricing isn't that much different. The $229 is just for 40 Gigs...
    Sorry man, but this is a silly argument. The real comparison is the $229 UNLIMITED Apple TV compared to the $399 unlimited Vudu. The real difference is that you have ample control over the content of the Apple TV where as you have to call Vudu to have them manually delete their box so you can load more content. That is a major difference in convenience, considering convenience is what Vudu is supposed to get right.
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      #17
      Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

      Originally posted by bspooky View Post
      And lests not forget Jobs seem to say new releases from their studios 30 days later, not just SOME new releases. If that holds to be true that is a serious advantage.

      Content, specifcially newer content, is king for the masses of consumers.
      What new content is Vudu not getting? Jobs didn't specify ALL new content either. He said new content....

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        #18
        Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

        Originally posted by redwein View Post
        Does Apple TV support purchasing of movies at all? It isn't important to me but I'm curious on whether they are taking a rental only approach and avoiding the whole question of expanded storage, etc.

        Also, will Apple TV work as well not using P2P technology as far as instant play is concerned? If it will, then that would seem to say that P2P is more of a benefit for Vudu not having to have massive servers, etc., than it is for the Vudu user. Personally, I don't care how the movie gets there, as long as it's "instantly".

        I'm still rooting for Vudu and I agree with NA9D that this competition excites me. It makes it seem more inevitable that VOD as a mainstream service is on the way. Whoever does it best will get my business.
        I really agree - VOD is the future.

        I do care about the P2P technology though. I probably shouldn't, but I'd still rather not have 200-300K of my upload speed used by vudu to share movies with others. The usage probably doesn't affect me at all, but if given the option to allow vudu to use my bandwidth or not, everything else being equal, I'd choose not. It's a very very minor issue and one I won't lose sleep over, but still.

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          #19
          Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

          Originally posted by StevenRushing View Post
          Sorry man, but this is a silly argument. The real comparison is the $229 UNLIMITED Apple TV compared to the $399 unlimited Vudu. The real difference is that you have ample control over the content of the Apple TV where as you have to call Vudu to have them manually delete their box so you can load more content. That is a major difference in convenience, considering convenience is what Vudu is supposed to get right.
          Do you have a 40 Gig AppleTV? I do. And it's a headache to have to move content around. You can't store a whole library of movies on it like you can the Vudu. Storage space is absolutely a critical item here.

          Also, nothing has been said about how quickly the movie will be available on AppleTV. Right now on iTunes, you have to download the whole movie first. Will AppleTV be truly on demand? Correction - I just went back to look at it again - 30 seconds before you can watch.

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            #20
            Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

            Originally posted by StevenRushing View Post
            Sorry man, but this is a silly argument. The real comparison is the $229 UNLIMITED Apple TV compared to the $399 unlimited Vudu. The real difference is that you have ample control over the content of the Apple TV where as you have to call Vudu to have them manually delete their box so you can load more content. That is a major difference in convenience, considering convenience is what Vudu is supposed to get right.
            I'd be happy if vudu would've offered a $229 model with an 80 gig drive (and everything else you listed above).

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              #21
              Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

              Originally posted by redwein View Post
              Does Apple TV support purchasing of movies at all? It isn't important to me but I'm curious on whether they are taking a rental only approach and avoiding the whole question of expanded storage, etc.
              It does right now. But with 40 Gigs of storage, you have to store it on your computer. Then you have to sync the computer with the AppleTV to get the movies, or you have to go and choose to stream from your iTunes Library. Changing to streaming from iTunes takes a while with a large library of songs and all because the AppleTV has to load and process all the XML data in order to get the menus set up. Seriously, it takes about 1 to 2 minutes sometimes to do this. And iTunes has to be running on the serving machine.

              Being limited to storing content on the $229 AppleTV is a major headache. Trust me...Yes, the drive can be upgraded pretty easily, but then you are looking at a price not much different than Vudu.

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                #22
                Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                What new content is Vudu not getting? Jobs didn't specify ALL new content either. He said new content....
                It sure seems to me that new DVDs are release, yet no Vudu rental even within 30 days. Even movies on Vudu that I add to my wishlist that are for purchase only don't all seem to have gone rental. Yeah, sure, some say "rent on xyz date in the future" but not all of them are like that. Some sure seem to have been in my wishlist for longer than 30 days, still no rental option.

                Are you saying all the new DVDs that come out for the Studios Vudu partners with have shown up on Vudu to rent 30 days later?????

                Jobs didn't promise that specifically, but he led you to believe it. And given Apple's clout and experience getting studios, I can't imagine they wouldn't be meeting closer to 100% available to rent than Vudu.

                I hope I am wrong, and in a couple months we will know.

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                  #23
                  Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                  Originally posted by bspooky View Post
                  It sure seems to me that new DVDs are release, yet no Vudu rental even within 30 days. Even movies on Vudu that I add to my wishlist that are for purchase only don't all seem to have gone rental. Yeah, sure, some say "rent on xyz date in the future" but not all of them are like that. Some sure seem to have been in my wishlist for longer than 30 days, still no rental option.

                  Are you saying all the new DVDs that come out for the Studios Vudu partners with have shown up on Vudu to rent 30 days later?????

                  Jobs didn't promise that specifically, but he led you to believe it. And given Apple's clout and experience getting studios, I can't imagine they wouldn't be meeting closer to 100% available to rent than Vudu.

                  I hope I am wrong, and in a couple months we will know.
                  Videos for which Vudu gets rental licenses show up somewhere around 30 days later for rental. Not all movies get rental licenses (particularly from companies like Sony). I anticipate the same thing will happen with AppleTV. Nothing was said that EVERY DVD that comes out will be on AppleTV. Yet this is what everyone is jumping to conclusions on. Some movies on Vudu are rentable the day they are released. Some are both rentable and purchasable on the day of release. We know that with Apple they won't be rentable until 30 days later...

                  The studios would have no reason to have different licensing contracts with different providers. It would make a complicated business model even more complicated.

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                    #24
                    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                    These are the studios so far I've seen mentioned for apple:
                    Touchstone, Miramax, MGM, New Line, Lions Gate, Fox, WB, Disney, Paramount, Universal, and Sony.

                    This is what I see for vudu:
                    Lionsgate, New Line Cinema, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Universal Studios, Warner Bros. Studios, and Walt Disney Studios ? plus titles from 22 independent and international distributors, including First Look, Granada, Kino International, and Think Film.

                    And these are the differences between the two:
                    Apple: Touchstone, Miramax, MGM
                    Vudu: titles from 22 independent and international distributors, including First Look, Granada, Kino International, and Think Film.

                    Does vudu really not have Touchstone, Miramax and MGM?
                    If Apple has all of those, it seems to make sense they'd get 30 day new releases from all of them. Time will tell.

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                      #25
                      Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                      Some movies on Vudu are rentable the day they are released.
                      Really?

                      Can you name a few? If so, thumbs up to vudu.

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                        #26
                        Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                        Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                        The studios would have no reason to have different licensing contracts with different providers. It would make a complicated business model even more complicated.
                        I actually think that this could be different based on profit margins. Maybe Apple is able to afford lower margins and thus the studios are more inclined to offer content to them, or by the same token Apple is more comfortable with earning less on each movie.

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                          #27
                          Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                          Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                          Videos for which Vudu gets rental licenses show up somewhere around 30 days later for rental. Not all movies get rental licenses (particularly from companies like Sony). I anticipate the same thing will happen with AppleTV. Nothing was said that EVERY DVD that comes out will be on AppleTV. Yet this is what everyone is jumping to conclusions on. Some movies on Vudu are rentable the day they are released. Some are both rentable and purchasable on the day of release. We know that with Apple they won't be rentable until 30 days later...

                          The studios would have no reason to have different licensing contracts with different providers. It would make a complicated business model even more complicated.
                          I think you are right. My guess is that Apple TV will have similar restrictions and I wonder how people will react then. Will they say they were misled by the mighty Steve Jobs and they wished they hadn't burned their Netflix card? They already fail the "same day test" that some have stated would lead to the sure demise of Vudu.

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                            #28
                            Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                            Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
                            And I bet appleTV has an IR remote.
                            Yeah and it sucks. The receiver has a VERY narrow receiving window and the remote must be pointed RIGHT at it. Scrolling through large lists with up and down buttons is a headache. The scroll gets faster as you hold the button down but it ends up going so fast you can read it. With the Vudu remote you can control the speed easily. The Apple remote is very small and non-ergonomic. The ability to FF/RW is a headache and I always have problems with it. Vudu's scroll wheel is much more precise.

                            There are serious UI limitations with the AppleTV and the remote while watching movies...

                            And I don't go to starbucks.
                            No wonder you are so grumpy...

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                              #29
                              Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                              Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
                              Does vudu really not have Touchstone, Miramax and MGM?
                              I think Touchstone is owned by Disney which could explain at least that one.

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                                #30
                                Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

                                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                                .....Not all movies get rental licenses (particularly from companies like Sony). I anticipate the same thing will happen with AppleTV. .......The studios would have no reason to have different licensing contracts with different providers. It would make a complicated business model even more complicated.
                                But that is exactly my point. Not all movies get rental licenses for Vudu. We don't know about Apple's deals, but where you anticipate they will be the same as Vudu I would hazzard a guess Apple will do a MUCH better job getting a higher percentage of movies as a rental license. The studios don't seem to care about or shy away from complicated business models, and volume is often important. If Apple promises them a certain volume and gets better deals / more movies because of it, the Studios won't care.

                                But as I said, in a few months we will see. If it is the same, your point is valid. If Apple gets a lot higher percentage of rentals, Vudu is dead to the bigger market and will be for a small niche market only.

                                I honestly hope we are both right.....that it will be both that Apple and Vudu get the same rental movies and that the percentage will approach 100%. Works for me!

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