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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Right now though if say 50 people want to own Titanic, it sits on 50 boxes in its entirety rather than 1/50th of the movie on 50 boxes or some other fraction.

    From a content owner point of view, this is the most secure. From the user point of view, storage is no longer an issue as the movie is always there to watch (you'd have enough "backup" peers for each segment). The only exception would be if you want to take the box with you some place where there is no network connection. But that could be accomplished by an archive mechanism where you could either stream the movie or download it locally and take with and then later "archive" it.

    I just don't understand why this is not embraced....
    Isn't that what I just said??

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  • NA9D
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    The facts of the matter are that you don't own the movie. You own a "license" to the movie, a license which is in many cases revokable (look at the people who have purchased content from Yahoo Movies, etc. where when the service was shut down, so were the DRM keys).

    Now, storage in the "cloud" is the most efficient method of storing movies. It's already basically being done. So if I want to own, say, Titanic, I don't need it sitting on my box. It could be sitting anywhere there is a Vudu. And no one Vudu needs to be holding the entire movie. You could several boxes all holding parts of the movie. And since we are in the digital domain, you could have each box holding different bits to each frame of the movie. You therefore make any portion of any movie sitting on your box unwatchable. There would be absolutely ZERO way for anyone to hack the box and copy the movie files off it.

    Right now though if say 50 people want to own Titanic, it sits on 50 boxes in its entirety rather than 1/50th of the movie on 50 boxes or some other fraction.

    From a content owner point of view, this is the most secure. From the user point of view, storage is no longer an issue as the movie is always there to watch (you'd have enough "backup" peers for each segment). The only exception would be if you want to take the box with you some place where there is no network connection. But that could be accomplished by an archive mechanism where you could either stream the movie or download it locally and take with and then later "archive" it.

    I just don't understand why this is not embraced....

    As for Tom's point about never renting enough to make up for the purchase price - for most films that sure is true. However, for things like kids videos - heh, it's about the only thing we still buy DVDs for....

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  • redwein
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    Well, actually I have spent thousands of dollars on a multi-terabyte ReplayTV based DVR stoarge farm that I use daily. While I'm with you on the rental model, and will choose rental over purchase almost all the time, there are still many movies that are purchase only. Yeah, one could purchase and then erase to free up storage, but that doesn't sit well with most persons sense of fair economics. Given the ever lowering cost of storage (1 TB drives are now under $100 - http://www.unityelectronics.com/prod...p/WD10EACS-RCT ), I think many folks will want the option of expanding their Vudu vs. discarding purchased titles. Certainlly more hard drive space will not be for everyone, but it's a choice that will be popular with many.
    I agree with what you say. I think that having movies be 100% rentable is the real solution. I agree that, in the interim, some storage solution is required and each solution has its own benefits/drawbacks. People will choose what works best for them. Also, even though the cost of storage is going down, it is still a hassle as drives fill up and you need to add more and more boxes, or throw away old ones and consolidate as drive capacity increases. I was having "fun" doing it until I ended up with my 4th Terastation (3 X 1.6 TB and 1 X 2 TB). Now I just don't want any more, period. The space that I have allocated for them in our walk in closet is filled up and I have to keep the door to the closet opened or the closet feels like a sauna.

    If the movies in my collection had been reliably available for renting with VOD, I would have never spent that money, time, space and hassle. That's why I'm such a VOD+rental "bigot".

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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    I have an idea.....

    Why doesn't someone come up with a way to share storage using some sort of peer-to-peer scheme??

    If I could share Arronwt's and Brain's storage, I wouldn't need to grow a terra farm.

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  • aaronwt
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    Crap! I paid close to $300 for my first few 1TB drives last year.
    Although I also paid close to that amount for around 12, 250GB drives earlier in the 2000s so I would have 3TB of storage for all my HD recordings. Prices have really come down fast. Even the 1.5TB drives are well under $200.

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  • Nded
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    I guess you haven't spent thousands of dollars on storage servers that some of us have. For storing it yourself you have to factor in how much space you would ultimately need to store an ever growing collection of movies. Plus, if you store it yourself, you have to deal with equipment failure and potentially lost data that way too. Sure, you can back it up, use RAID 5, etc., but that adds to cost and complexity......
    Well, actually I have spent thousands of dollars on a multi-terabyte ReplayTV based DVR stoarge farm that I use daily. While I'm with you on the rental model, and will choose rental over purchase almost all the time, there are still many movies that are purchase only. Yeah, one could purchase and then erase to free up storage, but that doesn't sit well with most persons sense of fair economics. Given the ever lowering cost of storage (1 TB drives are now under $100 - http://www.unityelectronics.com/prod...p/WD10EACS-RCT ), I think many folks will want the option of expanding their Vudu vs. discarding purchased titles. Certainlly more hard drive space will not be for everyone, but it's a choice that will be popular with many.

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  • MaxH
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Agreed. To me this is the most logical and hacker/pirate proof method of movie storage...
    And licensing shouldn't be that hard. All content is kept, and existing keys are always valid, but the studios can block the distribution of new keys only, not the access to content from those with valid keys. But "should" is such a misleading word when you are talking about licensing content from the mafiAA.

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  • redwein
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    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    I much prefer the local storage model, as that gives me something I can manage and control, vs. some storage server in the sky that could go down, or heaven forbid, be shutdown in the future.
    I guess you haven't spent thousands of dollars on storage servers that some of us have. For storing it yourself you have to factor in how much space you would ultimately need to store an ever growing collection of movies. Plus, if you store it yourself, you have to deal with equipment failure and potentially lost data that way too. Sure, you can back it up, use RAID 5, etc., but that adds to cost and complexity.

    I have an idea. Wouldn't it be great if they would only have some compact optical format that you could store in something like a bookcase .

    In all seriousness, I've tried to make the point many times, VOD makes the need for owning your own gigantic collection of movies rather unnecessary. I can guarantee you that I spent way more money on my collection then I ever would have if I could have paid a rental fee each and every time we watched one of them. We only have the collection so we could pick a movie that matched whatever mood we happened to be in without having to run out to Blockbuster, etc. There are a few movies that it may make sense to buy because you are positively going to watch them many times but that has got to be a miniscule percentage.

    When I hear people looking forward to managing terabytes of self stored movies (which I have already done) I really think they are missing the potential of VOD. Overall you are likely to save money by always renting and you don't have to worry about either the service going away or losing data to a hardware failure. If it goes away, it is likely because there is another vendor that won the battle and you have nothing "invested" in the content.

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  • gregg098
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    True. The option for both would alleviate that.

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  • Nded
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    When contemplating the cloud concept, don't forget to make an allowance for the cost of the additional bandwidth requirements. When the movie is stored on your Vudu (and hopefully your LAN someday), there are no further expenses associated with watching again. If it's out on the cloud, there's a cost associated with sending that data to you over and over again.

    I much prefer the local storage model, as that gives me something I can manage and control, vs. some storage server in the sky that could go down, or heaven forbid, be shutdown in the future.

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  • elwaylite
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Originally posted by gregg098 View Post
    I forget where I read it. I think it was here?
    Anyways, its supposedly an issue that since you, the end-user, owns the movie so you cant store it on someone else's (Vudu's) servers. I also remember someone mentioning that another service had a workaround for this and that was where you pay for the storage in terms of a monthly agreement. So you would pay a few $$ a month, and in return, you are owning/leasing space on the company servers to store your movies/shows. Now, if this is true, and again, this is from some other post by a non vudu employee, I would think people would pay a few dollars a month (something to keep it legal so you are "leasing" the space...$1 anyone?) to archive movies.

    Just my opinion. I dont know all the details of the licensing agreements, but my 2 cents.

    Im all for that idea. $5 for every tetrabyte or something, sign me up.

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  • gregg098
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    I forget where I read it. I think it was here?
    Anyways, its supposedly an issue that since you, the end-user, owns the movie so you cant store it on someone else's (Vudu's) servers. I also remember someone mentioning that another service had a workaround for this and that was where you pay for the storage in terms of a monthly agreement. So you would pay a few $$ a month, and in return, you are owning/leasing space on the company servers to store your movies/shows. Now, if this is true, and again, this is from some other post by a non vudu employee, I would think people would pay a few dollars a month (something to keep it legal so you are "leasing" the space...$1 anyone?) to archive movies.

    Just my opinion. I dont know all the details of the licensing agreements, but my 2 cents.

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  • elwaylite
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Agreed. To me this is the most logical and hacker/pirate proof method of movie storage...

    I like it. I buy tv episodes on Amazon, I can go back and watch them again just by clicking the link.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by gregg098 View Post
    Im still a fan of the cloud method. Have a few movies on the box, the rest are still there, waiting, lurking...ready to be downloaded again. I know its a licensing issue, but there needs to be a workaround. The end user should never have to buy extra storage. I dont have any movies on my box capable of being archived (except the HDX demo).
    Agreed. To me this is the most logical and hacker/pirate proof method of movie storage...

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  • gregg098
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    Re: VUDU Surpasses 1,000 Custom Installer Milestone

    Im still a fan of the cloud method. Have a few movies on the box, the rest are still there, waiting, lurking...ready to be downloaded again. I know its a licensing issue, but there needs to be a workaround. The end user should never have to buy extra storage. I dont have any movies on my box capable of being archived (except the HDX demo).

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