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    #16
    Re: What is this?!

    First of all...I was cleaning out some files yesterday and found a receipt for my first 4 Head Hi-Fi VHS deck. Cost me $425.00 back in 1991! And given inflation, $425 back then is probably more like $500 or $600 today. And it was certainly a much larger part of my disposable income!

    We are so spoiled with "cheap" electronics today.

    Second, I don't know how you can say Vudu quality is not as good as DVD. I find it as good or better. And as for DD5.1, more and more films all the time are being released in 5.1.

    Third, why do I not want PPV or Comcast VOD?

    1.) Limited selection
    2.) Inability to rent something now and watch later
    3.) Limited selection
    4.) Lousy UI
    5.) Limited selection
    6.) Not able to purchase
    7.) Only a few hundred movies - limited selection
    8.) No ability to rent something, then take the box elsewhere and watch the movie like I am going to do tonight.
    9.) Limited selection

    Vudu may not fit YOUR lifestyle, but it fits mine and what I want very well.

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      #17
      Re: What is this?!

      ok i get that, but the quality short commings don't bother you? So much effort is put into the audio tracks of these movies, don't you feel ripped off when you can't experience the movie the way the directed intended you to?

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        #18
        Re: What is this?!

        Originally posted by jcarrington View Post
        ok i get that, but the quality short commings don't bother you? So much effort is put into the audio tracks of these movies, don't you feel ripped off when you can't experience the movie the way the directed intended you to?
        I don't get what you say. Not every movie on Comcast is in DD5.1. The quality isn't as good as Vudu either. My receiver has DTS neo6 which does a damn good job replicating the sound field.

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          #19
          Re: What is this?!

          "Second, I don't know how you can say Vudu quality is not as good as DVD. I find it as good or better. And as for DD5.1, more and more films all the time are being released in 5.1."

          Talk about a contradictory statement. VUDU is as good as or better but all DVD's released in the last 5 years have DD yet VUDU has "more and more coming??????

          You are 100% correct in that PPV and VOD needs a UI upgrade but the new TIVO interface from Comcast is suppose to address that, i haven't seen it so we'll see. VUDU UI is awesome, it is a pleasure to navigate.

          There selection is better when it comes to older movies. New releases i think they are equal, i haven't taken inventory so i may be mistaken.

          Maybe this argument is more about convienence vs quality. Where i am putting more stock in having the best movie experience with the best video and sound whereas you are looking more at the choices and ease of use. I don't htink either of us are wrong simply looking for different things? Would you agree?

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            #20
            Re: What is this?!

            My 5.1 audio comments were more directed towards the VUDU v DVD battle and less towards the PPV one.

            I have all the various artifical suond fields but they do not compare to true DD or DTS.

            I guess i am saddened becasue VUDU could be a killer no brain purchase for almost everyone if the studios would allow them to give timely rentals and true DVD quality. That is what i was expecting when i purchased it and i was / am crushed when i saw the reality of the product.

            I realize it is not VUDU's fault, they are at the mercy of the studios if they could only deliver what would be the perfect match of quality and convenience we all would be in heaven....imagine a product like that!!!!

            Do you think that is where this product is heading or do you think the studios will ALWAYS be that road blcok preventing the perfect product?

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              #21
              Re: What is this?!

              I see this as very similar to music download sales. IIRC, there are STILL a couple of holdouts, and in the beginning, the selection was paltry and prices were high. But once people started buying like crazy, it was inevitable that eventually the market would open up, even though not everyone jumped on board right away.

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                #22
                Re: What is this?!

                Originally posted by MaxH View Post
                I see this as very similar to music download sales. IIRC, there are STILL a couple of holdouts, and in the beginning, the selection was paltry and prices were high. But once people started buying like crazy, it was inevitable that eventually the market would open up, even though not everyone jumped on board right away.
                It's taken years for that to happen in the music scene and even now there are restrictions, e.g. certain songs/albums are purchase only vs rent (via subscription like ZunePass). This is why I'd like to see Vudu add some other media functionality to make it a better value.

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                  #23
                  Re: What is this?!

                  Originally posted by jcarrington View Post
                  "Second, I don't know how you can say Vudu quality is not as good as DVD. I find it as good or better. And as for DD5.1, more and more films all the time are being released in 5.1."

                  Talk about a contradictory statement. VUDU is as good as or better but all DVD's released in the last 5 years have DD yet VUDU has "more and more coming??????
                  I'm talking video quality. I don't consider lack of DD to be a "quality" item. I don't consider a stereo audio source to be poor quality. It's just not as good as DD. Big difference.

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                    #24
                    Re: What is this?!

                    We obviously have two completely different opinions as to what makes up quality in a movie. In my humble opinion sound is a HUGE part of what makes movies great. Sound is what puts you "in" the movie, it makes you feel like you are there.

                    you are certianly not alone in your opinion because i have had this discussion before but I disagree.

                    A movie like Master and Commander is simply not the same movie without surround sound. Sound is emotion, it brings everything to life...now i sound like a commercial

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                      #25
                      Re: What is this?!

                      jcarrington and glassjoe have valid points. And they are points that many others have made. Unfortunately most of them are simply out of the control of Vudu. The studios are the ones you should rage at, not the hardware provider.

                      I agree with jcarrington that the hardware and software interface is nailed on Vudu. It is the ludicrous protection the studios provide the established distribution channels that is the biggest hurdle that Vudu must overcome.

                      As for the retail price on the Vudu hardware, I think that this is the "early" adoption penalty. I think that we will see the price decline dramatically in the next quarter or so. It has to if it is to survive. In fact I think the $49-$99 hardware price target is the sweet spot. Vudu may reach that with in-kind credits on rentals or rebates.

                      I also think that Vudu will be EXTREMELY attractive to existing video distributors for either a rebranding or a complete take over. I can well imagine Netflix or Blockbuster partnering or buying Vudu to get a foothold in the IP based delivery market.

                      Time will tell.
                      -Alex-

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                        #26
                        Re: What is this?!

                        Well, looks like I started something here. I'm probably more confused now than I was before I posted.

                        Or perhaps I don't rent/watch enough movies to really care either way, but it just seems to me that the cost of entry is rather high on this item...like I said, $400 isn't a huge amount, but at the same time, if the two choices are to have $400 or to not have it, I'll take it...

                        I just want to know where the value in this product is that makes the cost to become a vudu customer worth it. I would think, as stupid as it might make me sound, that at some point it would be worth vudu to provide free boxes.

                        Practically all households would then be eligible to be their buying customer. They could pretty much shut rental stores out of business--nationwide. I have to think that'd be quite powerful to the bottom line...(obviously I don't know what it costs to make a vudo box, but I'm speaking very generally, here)...

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                          #27
                          Re: What is this?!

                          Nobody gives you a "free" box. Not the cable companies. Not the satellite companies. If you don't "buy" it, you pay for it monthly in what can be a much costlier proposition. You could put the Vudu on a credit card and achieve the same thing. For Vudu to give you a "free" box, they would need to charge a subscription fee. I think it is a better alternative to just plunk down the money for the box and have no lingering contract or committment. Also, I think it is likely that the price will come down over time.

                          BTW, I hate paying monthly fees on all of my Sirius radios in all of my cars. So what do I do? I shell out hundreds of dollars up front for each radio to get either their lifetime service package or as many years as I can get up front. Plus I had to pay for each of those radios. What do I get for all that. I can listen to music on the radio, which is something I could do for free. It just seems to me that you have to pay somewhere and I think Vudu's current initial price point makes sense, especially since there are no monthly fees if you decide you don't want to use it for a period of time.

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                            #28
                            Re: What is this?!

                            This isn't the point of this thread, but I cannot resist...

                            Just because companies in other industries don't give away free boxes, doesn't mean Vudu shouldn't. There is a widely accepted business principle that dictates that a company is best served if it can escape the red ocean of competition for a blue ocean of freedom from competition. If Vudu provided free boxes, they would virtually own the movie rental market. There would be no need for movie rental stores, save for those households without sufficient Internet connectivity.

                            Like I said, this isn't the point of this thread. The point is for me to understand what value I personally am getting for laying out $400 for my Vudu box. I'm still unclear on this. Perhaps that is my answer.

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                              #29
                              Re: What is this?!

                              Also, redwein, I'd maybe understand your point a bit better if one didn't have to pay to actually use the Vudu box. By paying for each movie rental and/or movie purchase, you're paying for the service, much like the Sirius monthly subscription fee...it's just on a per use basis instead of a set monthly fee...

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                                #30
                                Re: What is this?!

                                I'm curious. Have you tried using the system yet, or are you leaving it in the box until you get a better answer?

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