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    #16
    Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

    Netflix's and Blockbuster's price is the same for HD or SD.
    I can get with my 5 out at a time plan at least 20 or more HD movies a month for $39.99.
    That would cost me $119.80 for the same movies on Vudu.
    Thats a steep price to pay for instant movie watching.
    I have a 2 day turnaround with Netflix.
    Also the Vudu HD movies do not have the new audio formats that Blu Ray has. Like DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby Tru HD. Which both sound fantastic compared to Dolby digital 5.1.
    I hope the Netflix box comes out soon.
    http://dailybriefing.blogs.fortune.c...ox-on-the-way/
    We need some competition to get VUDU to get there prices in line with the competition.


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      #17
      Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

      Originally posted by kmulder View Post
      I can get with my 5 out at a time plan at least 20 or more HD movies a month for $39.99.
      That model just doesn't work for me. I would really not like only having 5 movies to choose from at any given time. My moods and the people who actually watch movies with me require much more selection. This is why VOD is such a big deal to me. It isn't that, given 5 movies I can watch them instantly without a DVD, it's given that I don't have to deal with DVDs, I can watch one of thousands of movies whenever I want.

      Imagine if you hired a butler that could travel at light speed and get you any movie you wanted in the blink of an eye. How much would that cost? If you are so conditioned to the Netflix model that you can really enjoy just having a handful of movies at a time, then that's the way for you to go. Maybe there is a better way though.

      That's not to say that Vudu won't eventually offer a subscription plan. Perhaps they will. But I wonder how many people aren't Netflix customers because they don't want to pay for not watching any movies in a given month if they don't watch movies at the same rate every month. It seems like offering both options would be the way for both Netflix and Vudu to go from the customer satisfaction standpoint.

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        #18
        Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

        In terms of the audio formats, the fact is that the Vudu hardware as it is right now does not support anything higher than DD5.1. Blame it on Broadcom. They make the chip that does all this processing in the box. I'm not sure why it only supports that, but that's the way things are. It's a hardware issue. I expect that down the road, there will be a box at some point that will support the different audio formats. But then, it adds complexity and extra bandwidth. Now, you have to add additional transport layers for all the different audio formats. This will increase your required bandwith. And it would make things more complicated to just watch the movie.

        I think the only real way to do it efficiently is to select one audio format for a particular movie and use it. Should it be higher than DD5.1? I would sure like it to be. Of course, I'm still using a 5.1 system and really have no desire to re-wire my house for more speakers...

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          #19
          Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

          Originally posted by kmulder View Post
          N
          I hope the Netflix box comes out soon.
          http://dailybriefing.blogs.fortune.c...ox-on-the-way/
          We need some competition to get VUDU to get there prices in line with the competition.
          Also, I don't know if any of the Netflix downloadable movies supports Dolby Digital in any format. Has there been any specs about the audio formats their box supports. iTunes supports only stereo

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            #20
            Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

            Actually, while I will admit I'm not clear on the technical details, I can't see why toslink out can't carry any digital audio that is included in the file. The VUDU may not be able to decode other audio formats, but it shouldn't have to, as most people with 6.1 or above should have their own receiver that can decode the audio signal, and the VUDU should just have to convey it to the receiver via toslink. Or is there additional decoding needed from the file to the receiver? I can't see why it would need to be decoded twice.

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              #21
              Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

              toslink does not have enough bandwidth to carry the new formats.

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                #22
                Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                Originally posted by markdesmarais View Post
                toslink does not have enough bandwidth to carry the new formats.
                Huh? Really. Toslink is optical and with an optical connection you should be able to get Gigabits of bandwidth. Or is it no so much the connection medium but rather the protocol and format itself?

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                  #23
                  Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                  Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                  Huh? Really. Toslink is optical and with an optical connection you should be able to get Gigabits of bandwidth. Or is it no so much the connection medium but rather the protocol and format itself?
                  Nope, he's right. The Toslink specs can't handle anything more than DD5.1's bandwidth. But, Vudu has HDMI and it can handle the new formats, so the real problem becomes that you need to keep 2 audio streams in the movie so you have the Hi-Def one for the people with HDMI connections and receivers that can decode them and a DD5.1 stream for those with Toslink only and those who need a decode to stereo RCA.

                  Edit: The Vudu's HDMI is only 1.1 isn't it. Dang! HDMI 1.3 is needed to transport the unencoded bitstream...

                  -John
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                    #24
                    Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                    Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
                    Nope, he's right. The Toslink specs can't handle anything more than DD5.1's bandwidth. But, Vudu has HDMI and it can handle the new formats, so the real problem becomes that you need to keep 2 audio streams in the movie so you have the Hi-Def one for the people with HDMI connections and receivers that can decode them and a DD5.1 stream for those with Toslink only and those who need a decode to stereo RCA.

                    -John
                    So Toslink won't handle DD6.1 or DD7.1? They were making 6.1 receivers with Toslink well before HDMI came out...

                    I understand on the newer formats. But yeah, the streaming requirements then to handle all the different formats becomes very large...unless, it could down sample the stream..

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                      #25
                      Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                      So Toslink won't handle DD6.1 or DD7.1? They were making 6.1 receivers with Toslink well before HDMI came out...

                      I understand on the newer formats. But yeah, the streaming requirements then to handle all the different formats becomes very large...unless, it could down sample the stream..
                      Toslink can handle everything except the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio lossless codecs and Dolby Digital Plus (though I'm pretty sure the current Vudu hardware can transcode this to DD5.1 based on previous forum posts).

                      -John
                      Last edited by skeeterfood; 01-07-2008, 08:11 AM.
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                        #26
                        Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                        Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
                        Nope, he's right. The Toslink specs can't handle anything more than DD5.1's bandwidth. But, Vudu has HDMI and it can handle the new formats, so the real problem becomes that you need to keep 2 audio streams in the movie so you have the Hi-Def one for the people with HDMI connections and receivers that can decode them and a DD5.1 stream for those with Toslink only and those who need a decode to stereo RCA.

                        Edit: The Vudu's HDMI is only 1.1 isn't it. Dang! HDMI 1.3 is needed to transport the unencoded bitstream...

                        -John
                        First off, thanks to you both for the info. Second, wouldn't a protocol change (HDMI 1.1 vs. 1.3) be all in the software? Or is the actual connector different? Oh, or I suppose the handling of the protocol could be done by a chipset that would need to be updated. Does anyone know 1.1 hardware can handle 1.3 with a firmware/software update?

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                          #27
                          Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                          Originally posted by MaxH View Post
                          First off, thanks to you both for the info. Second, wouldn't a protocol change (HDMI 1.1 vs. 1.3) be all in the software? Or is the actual connector different? Oh, or I suppose the handling of the protocol could be done by a chipset that would need to be updated. Does anyone know 1.1 hardware can handle 1.3 with a firmware/software update?

                          My guess would be that a hardware update is required, since the bandwidth spec jumped from 4.9 Gbit/s (1.0/1.1/1.2/1.2a) to 10.2 Gbit/s (1.3+).

                          -John
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                            #28
                            Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                            Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
                            Toslink can handle everything except the new Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio lossless codecs and Dolby Digital Plus (though I'm pretty sure the current Vudu hardware can transcode this to DD5.1 based on previous forum posts).

                            -John
                            I was just looking at the latest spfication for Toslink and it can handle 125 mbps. Shouldn't that be enough to handle newest Dolby and DTS streams? Or is it that the content owners want a copy protected sound channel?

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                              #29
                              Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                              Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
                              My guess would be that a hardware update is required, since the bandwidth spec jumped from 4.9 Gbit/s (1.0/1.1/1.2/1.2a) to 10.2 Gbit/s (1.3+).
                              However, if you look farther down the audio bandwidth (36.86 Mbit/s) has not increased from 1.0 -> 1.3. Not sure if it's possible to go 1.3 compliant on the audio, but not the video bandwidth. Might still be possible to get their with just a software update.

                              -John
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                                #30
                                Re: VUDU EXPANDS HIGH DEFINITION CONTENT AVAILABLE THROUGH ON-DEMAND SERVICE

                                Originally posted by RonV View Post
                                I was just looking at the latest spfication for Toslink and it can handle 125 mbps. Shouldn't that be enough to handle newest Dolby and DTS streams? Or is it that the content owners want a copy protected sound channel?
                                125Mbit/s (Toslink) is definitely > than 36.86Mbit/s (HDMI 1.3), so it probably is an HDCP issue.

                                -John
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