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    #16
    Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

    Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
    If you drop a pebble from 20 feet in a bucket of water you will see the ripples (waves) in the water, but if you drop a grain of sand you probably won't see anything.
    On the other hand, If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?

    Actually it was a good post.

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      #17
      Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

      Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
      I give you the "warmer sound" of LPs over CDs argument, but not lossy formats over a lossless formats. How loud do you play your music over you AV system? With lossy file formats you're bound to hear distortion at high volume levels with almost any decent receiver.
      If you drop a pebble from 20 feet in a bucket of water you will see the ripples (waves) in the water, but if you drop a grain of sand you probably won't see anything. If you drop both at the same time, the tiny ripples of the grain of sand will affect the large waves that you can see. A similar effects happens with sound waves. If you remove sounds (waves/noise/hiss high/lows) outside your hearing range with an encoder the music within your hearing range will be affected. The compression algorithms used to compress lossy formats will throw lots of stuff away and try to compensate with other sound tricks. You don't get something for nothing. If this was not the case; all digital music files would be 50K and all CD music albums that you buy in the store would be made up of MP3s.
      In lossy file formats some sounds outside your hearing range are gone and no longer influence the music as it is reproduced over your AV system. Lossless format files still reproduce those sounds outside your hearing range and the music played over your AV system is influenced by the those waves. You'll hear the sounds of waves that were modified or created by collisions of sound waves within and outside your hearing range.
      I hope my argument made sense... is late... the last presidential bowl is over... I'm falling out. But to close... you can sell me an original artist 10 year old CD in good condition for $10, but I won't give you a dime for the same album made up of pristine MP3s you downloaded yesterday.
      Perhaps my ears aren't good enough. I've heard plenty of bad MP3s, but the AAC codec is quite good and I never have complaints no matter how loud I play. I understand it's lossy but since my ears aren't as good as some people's and since buying CDs and ripping them is so inconvenient, I choose to put up with some level of loss I guess. That's why they have choices!

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        #18
        Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

        Ok, I give up... I'm glad that everyone here is happy getting less for their money and with DRM. One thing I'd leave you with...

        Music file formats just like anything else will evolve and change. My whole music libray (800+ CDs) is in FLAC, I can currently transcoded my library or a subset of my library to any existing or new lossless/lossy format. I'd like to see those that have their very large music libraries on a lossy format even at 320kbs transcode their library to another existing or future lossy format without loosing any quality. Lossless formats like FLAC are open and lend themselves to future transcoding to new loseless or lossy formats.

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          #19
          Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

          Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
          Ok, I give up... I'm glad that everyone here is happy getting less for their money and with DRM. One thing I'd leave you with...
          I thought your posts were good, so please don't give up!! I don't sense there is anyone against what you propose. I think rather it's more of a Bandwidth utilization argument, and not a lack of desire for better video and audio.

          I'm still fighting for all audio tracks to be encoded in DD5.1 instead of Stereo.

          There are legitimate reasons this isn't possible for older titles, but it's a downright crime when it's not done for newer ones (i.e. Indiana Jones Crystal Skull).

          Also read my signature. It states how I stand.

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            #20
            Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

            Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
            Ok, I give up... I'm glad that everyone here is happy getting less for their money and with DRM. One thing I'd leave you with...
            Why must you insist that I see things as you do? There's nothing to give up about. You have your view of what sounds good to you. I have another. That's all. You are entitled to your opinion on music as I am on mine. If I can't hear the difference why should I use a different format?

            Allow me to have my opinion as you have yours. We may disagree but so what...I'm happy with my choices and you are happy with yours. Period.

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              #21
              Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

              Originally posted by NA9D View Post
              Why must you insist that I see things as you do? There's nothing to give up about. You have your view of what sounds good to you. I have another. That's all. You are entitled to your opinion on music as I am on mine. If I can't hear the difference why should I use a different format?

              Allow me to have my opinion as you have yours. We may disagree but so what...I'm happy with my choices and you are happy with yours. Period.
              Ok, here I go again...

              I was not insisting that you see things the way I do as it relates to how you or I "hear" things. ("You have your view of what sounds good to you. I have another") I never compared my hearing to yours or to anyone else except when I mentioned that lossy format over a decent receiver sounded awful. (Maybe I should have said not as "detailed" as lossless... my bad) On my posts I was mostly trying to detail why a lossless format file is "superior" than a lossy format file ->technologically speaking<-. If you can not hear the difference between lossy and lossless format that's fine, but if you don't want to realize that there are "technical advantages" of one format over the other... there is nothing else I can say.

              I have not disagreed with your "hearing" opinion. I disagreed on "buying" one format (lossy with or without DRM) over the other (lossless without any security restrictions) because of technical advantages and the restrictions on use that I mentioned above. If you had said that you won't buy lossless because it takes too much storage space... I'd have agreed with you as that is easily quantifiable disadvantage of lossy over lossless.

              Why buy a milking cow with three legs when you can get one with four?... I know, I know... the milk taste the same and the three-legged cow won't run away.

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                #22
                Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

                Storage is not an issue. So that's not why I don't use lossless. I buy all my online music from iTunes (AAC) and it's now all going to be DRM free anyhow. I use iTunes because I'm an Apple guy, I have iPods, it works, its functional, etc. Convenience - just like Vudu. If they offered lossless as an option would I buy it? Probably if it was the same price. But to run out to the store, purchase a CD and then to have to rip it just to get lossless is to me a lot of extra time when I can buy the music and have it on my machine in less than 5 minutes.

                That's why!

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                  #23
                  Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

                  That cow saved my life (pulled me out from underneath the tractor when it flipped in the field).


                  You can't eat a cow that good in one setting!

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                    #24
                    Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

                    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                    Storage is not an issue. So that's not why I don't use lossless. I buy all my online music from iTunes (AAC) and it's now all going to be DRM free anyhow. I use iTunes because I'm an Apple guy, I have iPods, it works, its functional, etc. Convenience - just like Vudu. If they offered lossless as an option would I buy it? Probably if it was the same price. But to run out to the store, purchase a CD and then to have to rip it just to get lossless is to me a lot of extra time when I can buy the music and have it on my machine in less than 5 minutes.

                    That's why!
                    NA9D, I used to feel the same way about ripping all those CDs to FLAC. While I was in between jobs I ripped about 25-30 CDs per day using three laptops. Drove the wife crazy. Once I finished I made a backup copy to a 1TB external drive and stored it away from my place. One it a while I bring it back home and sync it with the current library. I do agree about what you say about functionality and the convenience of getting your track ready to play from iTunes.

                    I use dBpowerAMP to rip from CDs to FLAC for use in my home AV System and to transcode a subset of my FLAC library to lossy format to play in my portable DAP (Cowon D2). Now-a-days with dBpowerAMP ripping is a lot faster if you have a fast drive and a dual core computer. dBpowerAMP is now optimized two use both cores. It is fun to see both cores working independently encoding two files simultaneously. The ripping process now usually takes less than 6 minutes per CD. I have also added MusicIP (MusicBrainz ), ReplayGain tags and embedded album art to all my FLAG files as I ripped them. I also edit some of the tags at rip time to my standards at rip time. But remember... I only have to do it once. Now that I have my whole library ripped to FLAC using it has also become very convenient. MusicIP along with SugarCube have introduced me to tracks in my library that I don't even know I had. Lately, because of the economic situation, I have not been buying that many CDs, but even if I was buying two or three CD a week, it would not take me that long to rip them into my library.

                    A bit off topic:
                    I just read in another thread that you have an Apple TV with Boxee installed. I understand that Boxee also aggregates music which Vudu currently does not... I'm glad... no need to be a jack of all trades... anyway for music I'm sticking to my SqueezeBox. Can you give us your opinion on how the common functionalities of the Boxee on the ATV and the Vudu box compare as they stand right now.?

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                      #25
                      Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

                      For my CDs I purchased a 200 disc Sony changer with a firewire port. Then I just connected it to a PC running Windows Media Center Edition. Then I just loaded it up and it automatically ripped everything. Although it was a pain having to load it up and unload it several times, but it was much easier than having to do it a few at a time each day. I ripped everything in WMA lossless and WMA 128kbs.
                      Although If I had it over I would have just ripped them once at WMA 192kbs.

                      When I was finished with the changer I sold it for around two thirds of what I paid for it.
                      The changer seemed like the easiest way to go. I did try a ripping service which was fine but would have been expensive to rip all my disc, plus I would have had to deal with shipping too. And I didn't want to go through with having to do them one at a time over several weeks. So when I read about the change option I figured it was the cheapest and fastest way to do it.

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                        #26
                        Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

                        Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
                        A bit off topic:
                        I just read in another thread that you have an Apple TV with Boxee installed. I understand that Boxee also aggregates music which Vudu currently does not... I'm glad... no need to be a jack of all trades... anyway for music I'm sticking to my SqueezeBox. Can you give us your opinion on how the common functionalities of the Boxee on the ATV and the Vudu box compare as they stand right now.?
                        Well, Boxee is cool but so far it's somewhat of a "toy" for me. The biggest advantage is that I now have a way to watch NASA TV on my big screen! But watching Hulu or CBS shows on the big screen is disappointing and sometimes not the best as you can see dropped frames, etc. It's OK in a pinch but not what I want for every day for sure.

                        I'm not totally used to the way the interface works with the Apple remote. I understand there are other remote options you can use with Boxee but I have not used them.

                        I've not yet loaded my music files into boxee. I have a Roku M2000 Soundbridge on my main system that I use to play music (no TV needed). But I will try that at some point.

                        The biggest issue with Boxee is that it just seems kinda slow on the ATV. The ATV only has a 1 GHz processor. The speed of the Vudu UI blows it away.

                        Its exciting to see a product like Boxee mature and get better and I am sure it will as it is still technically Alpha. It has a LOT of potential.

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                          #27
                          Re: Out of luck on renting latest movies... you have to wait

                          Tamanaco, I agree that even if I can't hear the difference in the sound quality, I would prefer to keep my copy as true as possible. For one thing, if I ever reducde the file size to port the files to a small, cheap, convenient portable device, I might notice a difference at that point. I also have a moral objection to blocking fair use and to licensing that restricts digital media in ways that physical media cannot be restricted.

                          But the ultimate irony is, the market will be forced to change by the great unwashed masses. Bleeding-edge adopters and enthusiasts like us may have a voice as knowlegeable users, but the market will be forced to adapt when the revenue stream from the new media becomes competitive with the revenue stream from the old media. As someone has said elsewhere, when Vudu and Apple TV begin to bring the studios a significant fraction of what HBO pays them, only then we may start to see blackout dates become an antiquated practice.

                          So, while we may be very vocal and well-reasoned in wanting certain things from our digital media, we will probably have to wait for each distribution mode to catch on with people who don't care about DRM except how and when it affects them before we start seeing changes in the way the maf-IAA does business.

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