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    no wireless?

    I just got this for Christmas and upon seeing that it has no wifi chip I am wrapping it up and returning it. $400 for a hard drive in a black plastic box and they couldn't have spent $30 on the OEM wireless chip? Seriously?

    I am impressed by the story and in 6-12 months when they've got the kinks worked out I'll reconsider. I'm sure the first tivo sucked too.
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    Re: no wireless?

    Well, there's a lot of reasons to not have wireless built in.

    1.) Easily added on the outside.
    2.) Wired is always better.
    3.) What standard do you use? 802.11n is still a draft spec. It could change.
    4.) Wireless speeds are easily affected by things such as signal strength and other devices on the network. It's difficult to predict how a wireless connection would work buried in someone's cabinet.
    5.) Wired is always better.
    6.) The cost of the WiFi radio may be $30 like you said. However, given markups on the box (based on what companies typically do - I have no idea about Vudu's margins), that would probably add another $50 to $60 in cost to you the consumer. So our $399 box is now $449.
    7.) Wired is always better. Wait, I said that before.
    8.) Adds complexity to the UI and the box that many users might not want. Better to let those that want wireless add it themselves. After all, you can get a wireless router for pretty cheap these days and turn it into a bridge.
    9.) Wired is better. Oh yeah - I said that. If you can't run ethernet, then try a power line adapter. I've just been trying one out recently on my Vudu and it works great.

    I would not let the lack of wireless deter me from buying the product or keeping it. Wireless is a buzz word and marketing gimmick that people think needs to be in every device. It doesn't and simply having it would not at all guarantee a good experience out of the box. Quite simply, the opposite is likely to happen.

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      Re: no wireless?

      I agree with the comments made by Jon. Right now the VUDU's usage pattern with a home network can be considered a bit intense and a hard wired connection is the best.

      Actually the cost of the WiFi chip now is about $20 to $25. But the supporting hardware along with the coding would really add to the cost of the VUDU.

      One other element that needs to be taken into account is the cost of support of wireless. Look at all the technical issues a support organization has to take into account with the supposed ubiquitous wireless:
      • security modes (WPA, WPA2, WEP, TKIP, AES)
      • wireless modes (B, G, B+G, G Turbo, G Speedbooster, Draft N)
      • performance issues (10 ft, full speed, 30 ft, 80% of speed, walls, wireless phones, microwave ovens)
      What dollar amount would VUDU have to add to the box just to support wireless? Right now Cisco has stated that wireless support averages about 1.2 hours per router sold (my company is a Cisco partner), and that is for business accounts. I can't imagine what their costs are for consumer.

      I to would love to see it built in but the financial model at this time just doesn't support it.
      Last edited by RonV; 12-24-2007, 07:55 AM.

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        Re: no wireless?

        Wireless would be nice, but as others have said there are numerous ways to connect Vudu to your home network.

        Here's what I did for one of my locations: I took an old Buffalo WHR-G54S router that I didn't use anymore, flashed it with Tomato firmware and put it in the wireless client mode. I've had it connected to my main router (D-Link DIR-655 Xtreme N) running in N/G mixed mode and it's been running perfect so far.

        I haven't noticed any slowdowns so far with my overall network speed, but if it ever comes to that, DIR-655 has excellent QoS (Quality of Service) options and I could make all traffic to & from Vudu's IP address a very low priority (just like I have done with BitTorrent and Usenet traffic).

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          Re: no wireless?

          i'll agree that i was shocked to see WiFi absent on a 400.00 box.

          but, i was also glad i did not have to set up the security info on yet another device (and adjust the settings on the existing network).

          now i need to swap ports on my eithernet converter if i want to use certain equipment. 5 devices, 4 ports...math sucks.


          it does not bother me either way.

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            Re: no wireless?

            Originally posted by dg900rr View Post
            now i need to swap ports on my eithernet converter if i want to use certain equipment. 5 devices, 4 ports...math sucks.
            You may be able to make this problem go away if you get an extra switch (shopper.com shows them starting under $10). It's not guaranteed as you never know if your converter has some embedded limit on the number of devices it supports in its firmware.

            -- Greg

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