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    #16
    Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

    Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
    Check the D2D list to see when you add HD version it still says "HD" and/or check the Vudu page for the UV version of that movie and see if it has an HDX option. Sony usually gives you an HDX, but only if there is an HDX UV version on Vudu to give. (Like first Underworld and Spider-Man UV versions are only available in SD on Vudu while the rest of their series give HDX.)

    Sony and Paramount UV digital copy codes typically give you an HDX copy if one's available for UV. Universal and WB always give you SD for UV digital copy codes when they get imported into Vudu (hopefully, they get pressured into changing their minds in future).

    From a quick browse, it looks like both MIB movies will get you an HDX xopy.
    Thanks.

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      #17
      Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

      Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
      Check the D2D list to see when you add HD version it still says "HD" and/or check the Vudu page for the UV version of that movie and see if it has an HDX option. Sony usually gives you an HDX, but only if there is an HDX UV version on Vudu to give. (Like first Underworld and Spider-Man UV versions are only available in SD on Vudu while the rest of their series give HDX.)

      Sony and Paramount UV digital copy codes typically give you an HDX copy if one's available for UV. Universal and WB always give you SD for UV digital copy codes when they get imported into Vudu (hopefully, they get pressured into changing their minds in future).

      From a quick browse, it looks like both MIB movies will get you an HDX xopy.
      Seems like someone said the Monty Python and the Holy Grail Blu-ray UV copy came across as SD in Vudu, but that is the only packaged UV movie from Sony that I heard was not in HDX. It is available in D2D in HDX so that doesn't make much sense. Ditto on hoping Universal and Warner get their act together on providing HD UV copies with Blu-ray purchases.

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        #18
        Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

        Something strange happened tonight. Some of my owned movies would not play when selected. Both UV and non UV. When I selected a movie all the info on the right side window was 'greyed out' and the main movie info page never appeared. 30 minutes later back to normal. I had same problem on 2 Vudu devices.

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          #19
          Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

          I think this will work very well for our family. I know how many discs kids scratch up and with vudu they won't even need to take them out of the case.

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            #20
            Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

            Interestingly, no. Judges have said that consumers have a right to copy a DVD for their own use?say, for backing it up to another disk or perhaps watching it on another device, such as an iPod. That's the same "fair use" rule that made it legal to tape television shows for watching later, perhaps on a different TV.

            ...Producing or distributing such software would appear to be illegal in the United States. ...

            http://money.usnews.com/money/busine...-to-copy-a-dvd

            Originally posted by Live-L View Post
            I agree with canadien37 in this case. First of all it's illegal to make iso copies or backups of protected content in the first place. Secondly, you will have to maintain your 10 terabytes of hard drive space yourself and still not be quite as versatile as VUDU in terms of have high quality access to your content anywhere, anytime. Even SD content on VUDU is pretty good. As far as you not getting HD I think the problem may be with your internet connection, not VUDU.
            Also, what you are buying is protection of content, just in case your disc is damaged. Even if you have a disc that currently doesn't play you can instantly restore the title for just $2.00.
            I think the biggest barrier as it is now is the number of titles available for disc to digital. Just like everyone else, I hope Wal-Mart can resolve this issue quickly.

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              #21
              Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

              Breaking the copy protection is still illegal under DMCA, therefore it is illegal to copy a DVD to another format if it involves breaking the encryption. Yes, there are even free tools that do this, that doesn't make it legal.

              That is why I am glad to see the D2D program and look forward to more studios joining the UV program.

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                #22
                Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

                Did you read the article?

                Originally posted by Speedaddict81 View Post
                Breaking the copy protection is still illegal under DMCA, therefore it is illegal to copy a DVD to another format if it involves breaking the encryption. Yes, there are even free tools that do this, that doesn't make it legal.

                That is why I am glad to see the D2D program and look forward to more studios joining the UV program.

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                  #23
                  Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

                  I think the cases mentioned in the article were most likely copyright cases under existing/other copyright laws not this law, which prohibits breaking the copy protection.

                  I recommend reading the law http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201

                  17 USC Section 1201 (a)(1)(A) "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title..." it goes on to state certain exemptions which do not include circumvention for personal use.
                  Not exactly sure how to interpret 17 USC Section 1201 (c) , but I believe 'fair use' of the copyrighted work is not in question, rather the breaking of the encryption covered by this (a seperate) law, which carries its own fine of $200-$2500 per offense.

                  Would like to have seen some cases cited somewhere in the article. After reading all the article comments, especially that of what appeared to be a person with knowledge of the cases in question, we see that no individual has been tried for this, but also that no binding judgement of legality has been made (therefore it is still illegal by the letter of the law).
                  Last edited by Speedaddict81; 07-23-2012, 11:20 AM. Reason: Changed url to USC

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                    #24
                    Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

                    Originally posted by Live-L View Post
                    I agree with canadien37 in this case. First of all it's illegal to make iso copies or backups of protected content in the first place. Secondly, you will have to maintain your 10 terabytes of hard drive space yourself and still not be quite as versatile as VUDU in terms of have high quality access to your content anywhere, anytime. Even SD content on VUDU is pretty good. As far as you not getting HD I think the problem may be with your internet connection, not VUDU.
                    Also, what you are buying is protection of content, just in case your disc is damaged. Even if you have a disc that currently doesn't play you can instantly restore the title for just $2.00.
                    I think the biggest barrier as it is now is the number of titles available for disc to digital. Just like everyone else, I hope Wal-Mart can resolve this issue quickly.
                    On this quote that it is illegal to make a backup of Blu-ray/DVD's. That is technically not entirely true. You, as the sole owner of a legal bought movie have every right to make a backup. Even on the VUDU site, they say you can download the movie and burn it to a DVD/Blu-ray if you wanted to. I own 100+ movies on VUDU and about 30 are bought and I found that it is very close to Blu-ray quality. 1080P goodness along with 5.1 surround with most titles.

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                      #25
                      Legal to backup? - Isn't it just hearsay?

                      I see this debate posted on numerous forums year after year over and over but those that say it is legal to copy or backup a disc never provide a law or FBI Fact, etc. supporting this. If it was legal everyone would have software on their PC to do so right now. There would be legal software everyone could buy and use develeped and sold by Microsoft, Apple, etc. and sold at Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Staples etc.

                      If it's legal why are all the software gants and retailers ignoring this money making market?

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                        #26
                        Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

                        The laws states that It is legal to make a backup copy, but that it is illegal to defeat copy protection. But you must do one to get the other. So one part of the law contradicts the other part. That is why there is no commercially available software by Microsoft or Apple that will do it.

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                          #27
                          Re: Welcome to UltraViolet!

                          Originally posted by echopulse View Post
                          The laws states that It is legal to make a backup copy, but that it is illegal to defeat copy protection. But you must do one to get the other. So one part of the law contradicts the other part. That is why there is no commercially available software by Microsoft or Apple that will do it.
                          Which I've always found interesting. The law allows you to make a backup copy but the studios didn't like this. So, they added copy protection and advocated and got a law on the books to make it illegal to break that copy protection just to prevent people from making a backup copy which is lawful. So in doing so, the studios have denied people their right to make a backup copy. Thus you have a law to circumvent another law. One would think that, in and of itself, would be illegal but that argument has never gone to the Supreme Court for a final ruling.

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