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    Ultraviolet Gripes

    Please excuse me if this is not the appropriate place for me to air out my concerns but a Google Search did not reveal an UltraViolet specific forum.

    I was initially intrigued by the D2D system as it would save me a significant time investment over my current system; unfortunately my experience has been less than rewarding.

    PC Issues:
    - my Internet blows chunks...consequently I do not stream. I prefer to download/cache content for playback on my PC etc. I spent several hours downloading a movie yesterday via the Flixster Desktop program (the download seemed to crawl...more so than most other downloads). Once downloaded and starting playback I was warned that my monitor settings would have to be changed or the picture might flicker. So i changed my monitor settings to the suggested settings and the movie seemed to play fine. However I downloaded the movie with another purpose as well... Having read here http://uvdemystified.com/uvfaq.html#toc1.10.4 that UV supported sideloading my next mission was to find the movie file and copy it to another PC in another room that is hooked up to a TV...couldn't find the file. Eventually I found the file at C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Flixster\Storage\91646 0923 or what I assume is the file anyways based on file size; however it is just a jumble of numbers and letters with no apparent extension. That file seems useless outside the program so I see no way to 'side-load' the file to another PC. All attempts at renaming the file and importing it into the Flixster Desktop program failed.

    iPad: on two separate occasions I've had downloaded movies disappear from my iPad. I had not deleted them but they no longer showed up under 'Downloads' in the Flixster App.

    To say the least I am underwhelmed by the entire Flixster/UltraViolet/Vudu experience and am very hesitant to expand my collection past the six films I already have.

    ...and the studios wonder why consumers seek alternatives when we can't even take legally obtained content and use it in a reasonable manner.
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    Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

    That site isn't anything official. More than a few web searches have taken me there though, so I share your confusion.

    I think side-loading is something that is awaiting the release of a "common-file format", though I'm not sure, so I shouldn't say.

    FYI - your Vudu movies can be downloaded and watched on a PC through Vudu. Still not in a format you can copy to a drive and watch on a different device, though.

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      #3
      Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

      nyunole is right. Sideloading is not possible yet until the CFF (UV's Common File Format) is ready, which was predicted months ago as being out in the summer time. Definitely by the end of the year.

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        #4
        Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

        Also you can download Vudu movies in HDX on the PS3 and a few of the previous gen LG Blu-ray Players with hard drives.

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          #5
          Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

          Thanks for the input...it's going to be interesting to see where this all leads but ultimately many consumers are not going to be happy unless ALL the studios get on board with a common format.

          iTunes, FUV (Flixster, UltraViolet, Vudu) and whatever Disney/Pixar ends up with (possibly iTunes compatible?) - still a hassle from a consumers standpoint.

          I personally refuse to invest any significant amount of money into any one platform until I can be assured that is THE platform that is going to be used.

          I still have a pile of LaserDisks in storage somewhere

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            #6
            Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

            Originally posted by AZHemi View Post
            Thanks for the input...it's going to be interesting to see where this all leads but ultimately many consumers are not going to be happy unless ALL the studios get on board with a common format.

            iTunes, FUV (Flixster, UltraViolet, Vudu) and whatever Disney/Pixar ends up with (possibly iTunes compatible?) - still a hassle from a consumers standpoint.

            I personally refuse to invest any significant amount of money into any one platform until I can be assured that is THE platform that is going to be used.

            I still have a pile of LaserDisks in storage somewhere
            Kinda reminds me of the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray format confusion....For me, downloads to a set-top box w/hard drive is the ticket, being able to download to my NAS server would even be better...Render the ripping, encoding, etc. moot......

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              Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

              Originally posted by canadien37 View Post
              Kinda reminds me of the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray format confusion....For me, downloads to a set-top box w/hard drive is the ticket, being able to download to my NAS server would even be better...Render the ripping, encoding, etc. moot......
              I refused to move from DVD to Blu-Ray until there was a clear winner...same situation here. I have a handful of movies in iTunes (thanks to included codes) and the six FUV titles. I'm hesitant too invest to much until there is a common format. Personally I get tired of paying for the same thing over and over...VHS, LaserDisk, DVD, Blu-Ray, Mobile - in the end that's an expensive copy of A Clockwork Orange

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                Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                I think vudu/ultraviolet has a lot going for it. 80 companies are behind the ultraviolet standard. Disney is the only major studio not on board. If they don't join in they will miss out on a lot of sales. UV is going to be on every Blu-Ray in the near future. There's already 2 million people signed up since launch in October. Not even DVD sold that many players in the first few months. I think there will be 15 million accounts by the end of this year, perhaps more. Disney will eventually fold.

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                  #9
                  Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                  Disney is the only major studio not on board.
                  I've been surprised to discover how many Lionsgate films I own. Hopefully, they both come on board.

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                    Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                    Originally posted by AZHemi View Post
                    I refused to move from DVD to Blu-Ray until there was a clear winner...same situation here. I have a handful of movies in iTunes (thanks to included codes) and the six FUV titles. I'm hesitant too invest to much until there is a common format. Personally I get tired of paying for the same thing over and over...VHS, LaserDisk, DVD, Blu-Ray, Mobile - in the end that's an expensive copy of A Clockwork Orange
                    I'm an HD enthusiast with both video and sound so here is the order that I buy the movies:

                    1) Blu-ray because it has the best video and sound
                    2) Vudu and only on those movies that don't have blu-ray but have them on an HD resolution (only 11 that I've converted on D2D from DVD to HDX)
                    3) DVD

                    The other movies I have on Vudu are those that came with the physical media and I will probably not watch much unless I'm traveling and have a broadband connection. I only have about 23 DVDs left so they will either be converted by buying the blu-ray when/if it comes out or if it's available on D2D (HDX), whichever comes first. Fortunately, I never got into the LaserDisk faze.

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                      #11
                      Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                      My biggest gripe is the restrictions still being placed. I'm not sure if it studio infighting, or what, but restricting titles seems counter productive on a service that's had such a rocky start. I can kind of understand tv show uv codes not showing on vudu, but Devil Inside? Why pick such a Terrible movie to block from vudu? Plus the whole paramount/flixster thing. It studios want to make this work they need to work these things out.

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                        Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                        Originally posted by madmod20061 View Post
                        My biggest gripe is the restrictions still being placed. I'm not sure if it studio infighting, or what, but restricting titles seems counter productive on a service that's had such a rocky start. I can kind of understand tv show uv codes not showing on vudu, but Devil Inside? Why pick such a Terrible movie to block from vudu? Plus the whole paramount/flixster thing. It studios want to make this work they need to work these things out.
                        Well unless Paramount wants to get left out of the D2D service from home, it's going to have to support Flixster by that launch (or soon after).

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                          Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                          If you to to UltraViolet's website and look at your collection, off to the side of each movie there is a box that says Get A Copy, with a shaded out link. This is probably in anticipation of CFF. There used to be a date under the link that said December 20, 2012, but it's no longer there. Not sure if that's a bad sign that it might be even later than that date or not.

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                            Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                            Originally posted by rdross80 View Post
                            If you to to UltraViolet's website and look at your collection, off to the side of each movie there is a box that says Get A Copy, with a shaded out link. This is probably in anticipation of CFF. There used to be a date under the link that said December 20, 2012, but it's no longer there. Not sure if that's a bad sign that it might be even later than that date or not.
                            Hopefully they will reset the download counts when they launch CFF...I've burned a couple of downloads just trying to get the service to do things that I feel should have been available on day 1.

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                              #15
                              Re: Ultraviolet Gripes

                              Originally posted by AZHemi View Post
                              Hopefully they will reset the download counts when they launch CFF...I've burned a couple of downloads just trying to get the service to do things that I feel should have been available on day 1.
                              Those downloads you have done will not count toward your limit. It only refers to the common file format downloads, and BTW that Dec. 20th date has been there since before last Dec. 20th so I don't think it refers to a year, just a placeholder. CFF is widely expected to be finished the first half of this year so it doesn't give them much time.

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