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  • lujan
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    The one person accusing the other of "looking stupid" should spell blu-ray correctly and not call them Blue Rays.

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  • Ruinit
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    I hope Walmart won't be using The Rovi software that Cinemanow is using because it doesn't work on a lot of disks for one reason or another! And damn I hope it comes out soon!

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  • rdodolak
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    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    Ah, yes they did when they authorized me to buy that UV right for $2 at Walmart. Now I have permission from them to watch my VHS tapes in a VCR or in the cloud. We don't have rights to watch any DVD in the cloud without first paying for these additional rights for backdated titles.

    Of course you do have the right for any new DVD or Blue Ray that comes with a UV code. I assume it's already built into the price.
    A lot of things happen in this would but that doesn't mean you're actually entitled to them or legal. Let's let the lawyers actually address the terms and conditions of the actual contract and not some news article.

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  • tfisher
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    Originally posted by rdodolak View Post
    That's the flaw in your logic, the studios haven't given you D2D rights for VHS.
    Ah, yes they did when they authorized me to buy that UV right for $2 at Walmart. Now I have permission from them to watch my VHS tapes in a VCR or in the cloud. We don't have rights to watch any DVD in the cloud without first paying for these additional rights for backdated titles.

    Of course you do have the right for any new DVD or Blue Ray that comes with a UV code. I assume it's already built into the price.

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  • tfisher
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    Originally posted by rdodolak View Post
    Neither does it say you can use VHS. This is the D2D service, for replicated media only, not the Tape to Digital (T2D) one. The resolution of VHS isn't even similar to DVD. Guess WM will need to explain to the studios how that one happened.
    It doesn't address many things. It doesn't say whether you can or cannot use those double and triple feature DVDs. It doesn't say whether you can or cannot convert used DVDs you bought. It doesn't even say that the DVD must be in good enough condition to play in a DVD player. It doesn't say what region the DVD must be coded for, so you could use a region code other than '1'.

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  • rdodolak
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    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    ...
    Why would I assume I can extrapolate my own rights? I don't think I am. I am simply exercising my rights as the owner of these VHS movies and buying the additional digital rights that the industry is offering.
    ...
    That's the flaw in your logic, the studios haven't given you D2D rights for VHS.

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  • rdodolak
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    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    I think that is where the misunderstanding is, with the fee. What exactly is the $2 fee for? It's my understanding that when you buy a new UV title that comes with a code then you already have "digital rights" to that movie. For UV titles available for D2D the studio has agreed to allow us to purchase those "digital rights" for movies we've previously purchased for $2. The fee has NOTHING to do with the media being converted from. It's a fee we pay for ADDITIONAL rights to the movie we already own....digitial rights.

    There's an additional fee to upgrade the format from SD to HD.

    They will not drop the in-store D2D because there are many discs (and other media of course) that cannot be used in an at-home program and not everyone has a DVD drive in their computer.
    What I can see happening is WM changing their program which requires the associate to insert the actual disc into a dvd or blu-ray drive to authenticate the title otherwise the system won't allow the transaction to take place.

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  • rdodolak
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    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    I wonder why USA Today also agreed with me?

    I took "movies" I own to Walmart and they did what they said they would do. The only step I may have omitted was first converting my VHS tapes to DVD since UV does say that DVD and Blue Ray are allowed. But at the same time, UV does NOT say that we CANNOT use VHS. Sometimes what is not stated is just as important as what is stated.
    Neither does it say you can use VHS. This is the D2D service, for replicated media only, not the Tape to Digital (T2D) one. The resolution of VHS isn't even similar to DVD. Guess WM will need to explain to the studios how that one happened.

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  • jeffpn
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    Look stupid? That's nice of you to say. Why is it that you think you must insult others to make your point? The fact that I haven't read every web page on the Internet concerning Vudu does not make me stupid, or even look stupid. If I'm wrong, show me I'm wrong. I'm man enough to admit it (as I've already demonstrated).

    Originally posted by tfisher
    it's important to read what is stated and not stated.
    It is IMPOSSIBLE to read something that is not stated. You can only count on things that are stated. I like my movies with popcorn. Vudu doesn't say they won't give me popcorn, so I shall assume that they will. A ridiculous concept, yes. No more ridiculous than the fact that Vudu will accept VHS tapes unless they say that they will. It is not up to you to tell Vudu/WalMart that they must accept VHS tapes in the D2D program. It is up to Vudu/WalMart to say that they will.

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  • tfisher
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    Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
    I see that now. If a Walmart spokesperson says you can convert VHS movies, then you can convert VHS movies.

    If I made a policy of clicking every link I've ever seen, I may have already read that.
    Yes, but if you had seen it then you woundn't have been able to argue with me.

    As usual, it's been a fun debate...even though it wasn't really productive unless everyone now understands that they can buy digital rights to watch their VHS/Laserdisk/DVD/Blue Ray movie in the cloud (according to USA Today).

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  • jeffpn
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    I see that now. If a Walmart spokesperson says you can convert VHS movies, then you can convert VHS movies.

    If I made a policy of clicking every link I've ever seen, I may have already read that.

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  • echopulse
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    If you would have read my first post on the subject, you would have seen the link. And you would have seen it was a wal-mart spokesperson who said that VHS tapes are accepted. Maybe not advertised, but accepted.

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  • jeffpn
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    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    Okay...enought said by me on the subject because I know that I can buy the digital rights to VHS movies.
    Only because you've been able to sweet talk the associate.

    It doesn't matter what you say, and what USA Today says (link please). Vudu, UV, and the studios are the only entities that define the extent of what is to be eligible for the D2D program. Period. Just because you slipped one (or nine, or whatever) past them, doesn't entitle you to rewrite the terms of the program.

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  • tfisher
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    Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
    IF you own the movie on appropriate media. You certainly do take a lot of liberties here. I don't see Vudu or UV talking about any types of media other than Blu Ray or DVD. Why would you assume you can extrapolate your own rights?
    Would you say that as an owner of a VHS tape you would have the right to watch that tape? Would you say that as an owner of the VHS tape (and based on what copyright laws say and don't say) you have the right to make backups of you VHS tape? If so, then would you say that making a DVD copy of that VHS tape for your own personal use is legal?

    My answer to these questions is "yes". Since my VHS is in SD format then I should be able to pay the $2 fee to have digital rights to my SD movie.

    You are correct that they do not mention other types of media. Nowhere do they say that these are the only types of media that can be used. In other words, they don't say we cannot buy digital rights to SD VHS tapes or HD VHS tapes.

    Why would I assume I can extrapolate my own rights? I don't think I am. I am simply exercising my rights as the owner of these VHS movies and buying the additional digital rights that the industry is offering.

    Why would you want to hastle me for asking for something? Why does it really matter to you? Let Walmart and Vudu answer for themselves! In fact they have...it's perfectly fine to convert VHS to digital as seen by the USA Today article and as seen by by local store here. If it wasn't then they would have told me "no"...but they didn't.

    Sure, other stores may have a differnet reponse...but if the customer is persistent enough then I bet they too will take your $2.

    Okay...enought said by me on the subject because I know that I can buy the digital rights to VHS movies.

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  • jeffpn
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    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    It's a fee we pay for ADDITIONAL rights to the movie we already own....digitial rights.
    IF you own the movie on appropriate media. You certainly do take a lot of liberties here. I don't see Vudu or UV talking about any types of media other than Blu Ray or DVD. Why would you assume you can extrapolate your own rights?

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