News from CES

[E55KEV]

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There is a price for DVD, and a price for Bleu Ray (like the salad dressing).

"Salad Dressing" - I am literally rolling on the floor laughing. I'm busting a gut and crying! That's freaking funny!

[E55KEV]

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I am contacting Sarah to see if Walmart can future explain this. After all, I am just a consumer and she is a director at Walmart's corporate office. So she should know what the rules (both written and unwritten) really are...even though she has already told us.

you email will virtually be saying:

"Hi Sarah, I just violated my UV user agreement and could potentially have my UV Locker forfeited by fraudulently converting VHS movies that are not part of the D2D program which clearly states DVD or Blue-Ray (sp). Can you please say I am OK for doing so in order for me to prove my point to E55KEV on the VUDU forum - he called me a weiner after I called him a whiner."

[jeffpn]

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Respond all you want. tfisher. This is a public forum. I'll do the same, but with no insults.

[tfisher]

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Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You can't make an argument without insulting me.

Not entirely true. I have showed GREAT restraint in trying to put up with you attacking my ideas and requests to Vudu on this forum beginning with the very first post that I had on this forum. I don't expect you to agree with this, but I did want to respond.

[tfisher]

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They've given permission to Wal-Mart to license out digital copies to owners of dvds and blurays.

What is your source?

The law is clear however, that different media are treated as separate licenses.

Right, but digital is not really considered media. The D2D program is to buy ADDITIONAL rights to movies you ALREADY own the rights to watch...we are buing rights to watch them from the cloud.

[jeffpn]

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Thanks for showing us all what I expected...you have no class dude.

Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You can't make an argument without insulting me.

Sarah Spencer confirmed nothing. It is entirely possible (and rather likely) that she was misinformed, misquoted, or spoke to early with her VHS comment. There is no price listed for VHS. There is a price for DVD, and a price for Bleu Ray (like the salad dressing). There is no price listed for any other type of media anywhere. It is presumptuous to assume that you are right when you can't find anything listed in any current details.

[jonline]

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tfisher, just because a Wal-Mart employee allowed you to do something doesn't mean they had authorization. The licensing of the movies falls to the studios. They've given permission to Wal-Mart to license out digital copies to owners of dvds and blurays. Nowhere on any terms of service or acceptible used policy anyone has located exists a clause that suggests VHS is eligible for the redemption.

Sorry, I get what you are staying about owning an SD version of the movie and the format is immaterial. I even agree with you from a moral and ideological point of view. The law is clear however, that different media are treated as separate licenses.

[tfisher]

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No doubt there are employees that don't have a clue, and that's how you get quoted miss-information and staff that allow things that are not intended.

It is plain and simple: if VHS and other non DVD and Blu-ray media is applicable in this service it would be advertised as such, and it be covered in all pricing, training and procedures.

I am contacting Sarah to see if Walmart can future explain this. After all, I am just a consumer and she is a director at Walmart's corporate office. So she should know what the rules (both written and unwritten) really are...even though she has already told us.

[tfisher]

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There is nothing in the UVVU user agreement about patrons helping Walmart employees to perform D2D in-store as there are no rules or system to convert a VHS Tape to UV. Therefore you have potentially violated your UV user agreement.

The biggest "whiner" or perhaps weiner (aka Dick) in this whole issue is you.

Thanks for showing us all what I expected...you have no class dude.

[E55KEV]

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So following your logic I have broken the rules by even converting DVDs and Blu-rays since I had to basically educate them on that whole process as well? ...

If you don't like it then stop your whining and take it up with Walmart. I have only done what they are allowing us to do

There is nothing in the UVVU user agreement about patrons helping Walmart employees to perform D2D in-store as there are no rules or system to convert a VHS Tape to UV. Therefore you have potentially violated your UV user agreement.

[lostinva]

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No doubt there are employees that don't have a clue, and that's how you get quoted miss-information and staff that allow things that are not intended.

It is plain and simple: if VHS and other non DVD and Blu-ray media is applicable in this service it would be advertised as such, and it be covered in all pricing, training and procedures.

[tfisher]

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It's never too late to learn how to spell unless you believe in the old adage that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?

Well you are right...you can't teach an old dog new tricks...when I was in school we watched movies on VHS tapes and were taught to spell blue "b l u e"

[tfisher]

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That's not entirely true. You did not follow the rules as there are no rules to convert a VHS tape. You spent extra time and effort convincing the Walmart employees they should do this. If part of the rules you would not have to convince them.

It wasn't that difficult for them to understand what I was paying for. I actually spent more time "teaching" them how to do D2D several months back. I wasn't surpised I would have to explain all this to them since communications and training for D2D has really sucked.

So following your logic I have broken the rules by even converting DVDs and Blu-rays since I had to basically educate them on that whole process as well?

The rules are the same of all media. Look for the "title" on the list of movies that are authorized for D2D. Select SD or HD format. Take the movie with you to Walmart and they will verify that you own the movie and authorize your purchase of digitial rights to that movie.

If you don't like it then stop your whining and take it up with Walmart. I have only done what they are allowing us to do.

[lujan]

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I also see that there will be a spelling test later so I better learn how to spell Blu-ray (it's spelled with a capital letter) or I may fail, or at least prevent some people from understanding what the heck I mean when I say "Blue Ray".

It's never too late to learn how to spell unless you believe in the old adage that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?

[E55KEV]

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I paid the fee offered to me and I followed the rules they presented.

That's not entirely true. You did not follow the rules as there are no rules to convert a VHS tape. You spent extra time and effort convincing the Walmart employees they should do this. If part of the rules you would not have to convince them. When you go back again and there are different employees you will have convince them also. Go to a different Walmart and you will have to convince them also. Convincing employees to convert VHS is not part of any UV/Walmart/VUDU rules.