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Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

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    #16
    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    What is "CFF"?
    CFF is UV's Common File Format. It'll allow to download UV movies files that can copied to backup drives and other devices (so you don't have to redownload on each app/device like you do now with all the UV player apps). It's what the Download button will give you on UVVU.com once it's enabled. CFF is supposed to rollout in the next couple months.

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      #17
      Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

      Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
      CFF is UV's Common File Format. It'll allow to download UV movies files that can copied to backup drives and other devices (so you don't have to redownload on each app/device like you do now with all the UV player apps). It's what the Download button will give you on UVVU.com once it's enabled. CFF is supposed to rollout in the next couple months.
      Okay, so it's sort of their version of like an MP3. It sounds like it will be proprietary. What devices and software will be able to read these files and play the movies? More importantly, would we be able to burn a disk from these files? I am not sure, but I don't think that CFF is somthing that I could use on my Vizio television.

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        #18
        Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

        Originally posted by tfisher View Post
        Okay, so it's sort of their version of like an MP3. It sounds like it will be proprietary. What devices and software will be able to read these files and play the movies? More importantly, would we be able to burn a disk from these files? I am not sure, but I don't think that CFF is somthing that I could use on my Vizio television.
        It's basically a modified version of MPEG4 movie container format I think. But it will support multiple DRM schemes in one file so you can open on different types of machines that use different DRMs (like PlayReady on Windows). When they launch, I guess either some existing UV apps (Vudu, Flixster, etc) will change to support reading CFF files for downloaded files or maybe new apps will appear for playing CFF files. Won't know for sure until it launches.

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          #19
          Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

          I traditionally don't buy from any digital retailers, e.g. amazon or Itunes, for all those reasons stated previously. In actuality, there is one thing about the UV system that is easier to trust, even though it is only guaranteed for a year of free service.

          You can always switch providers who screw you too much, and your videos go with you. Now we have Vudu, Cinemanow, Flixster and soon M-go and others. Whichever one offers the best terms will be the one you choose to buy future movies on (and there will always be more movies for you to buy since they come out every year).

          So just because Vudu could charge a fee (just like amazon or itunes could currently charge a fee) doesn't mean it makes business sense to do so. That's what I'm banking on, that there will always be at least one low cost solution to watch your UV titles.

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            #20
            Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

            Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
            It's basically a modified version of MPEG4 movie container format I think. But it will support multiple DRM schemes in one file so you can open on different types of machines that use different DRMs (like PlayReady on Windows).
            Sounds interesting. We'll have to wait and see if it really is something that we can use to steam downloaded movie to our televisions and other devices being used today and how large these files will be. As that technology matures, and if it's of any use, I can even see software becoming available that allows us to create these CFF files from DVDs.

            I would love to establish my own clound right here in my wireless network, but today there is no app in my TV or in my Blue Ray players that would allow for this. Maybe sometime in the future. This would also allow us to be ANY of our movies into our own personal cloud, regardless of who the studio is.

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              #21
              Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

              It wouldn't surprise me if UV portals like Vudu only want to reserve the right to charge for streams after a year, but don't really intend to do that. My bet is that your worry is unfounded, and that there is no need for customers to do any money making brainstorming for Vudu. Only time will tell.

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                #22
                Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                tfisher: The CFF concept allows use of a certified 'player', possibly through an app download, to play the downloaded file. So, when it is launched, whatever you use to stream movies now is likely to become a CFF player. Most new tvs and blu-ray players are DLNA capable, which allows them to access content on your local network if it is stored in a supported format (which I hope CFF will be). So, you could download the files to a computer (or networked storage device) and then watch them on the TV.

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                  #23
                  Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                  Originally posted by Speedaddict81 View Post
                  tfisher: The CFF concept allows use of a certified 'player', possibly through an app download, to play the downloaded file. So, when it is launched, whatever you use to stream movies now is likely to become a CFF player. Most new tvs and blu-ray players are DLNA capable, which allows them to access content on your local network if it is stored in a supported format (which I hope CFF will be). So, you could download the files to a computer (or networked storage device) and then watch them on the TV.
                  Yes, but having a library of movies stored in CFF format without an interface like Vudu's to browse and search for the movie you are looking for woulld not be the ideal setup.

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                    #24
                    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                    What is "CFF"?
                    I've been wondering the same thing since CFF has been mentioned a few times now?

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                      #25
                      Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                      Originally posted by lujan View Post
                      I've been wondering the same thing since CFF has been mentioned a few times now?
                      http://forum.vudu.com/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=16

                      EDIT: I'll add this too: http://www.uvdemystified.com/uvfaq.html#3.2

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                        #26
                        Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                        Thanks, I wonder if this applies also to devices such as blu-ray players and DVRs (such as TiVo) or just devices like the iPad?

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                          #27
                          Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                          Originally posted by lujan View Post
                          Thanks, I wonder if this applies also to devices such as blu-ray players and DVRs (such as TiVo) or just devices like the iPad?
                          Regarding which aspect? Yes, they are going for widest possible adoption, so once CFF is released UV will start placing their logo on packaging of approved/compatible players. Also expect an update allowing support on some existing devices.

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                            #28
                            Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                            He's referring to the ability of a device to store a movie. I'm sure if the technology takes off, you'll see a new breed of Blu Ray players that have built in hard drives.

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                              #29
                              Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                              Originally posted by Speedaddict81 View Post
                              Once CFF hits I will download all my movies and store them in a manner that I can stream them from my house to wherever I want, my plan all along. I doubt Vudu would ever charge a per-item streaming fee to access UV content, though I could envision a 'small' annual fee ($20-$50), perhaps waived with purchase of a certain number of full-price titles, to cover continuing expenses of streaming.
                              yep, I have 15TB of NAS goodness just waiting!!!!!

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                                #30
                                Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

                                I hope the PS3 gets an update to support cff once cff launches.

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