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  • sbuberl
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by lujan View Post
    I've been wondering the same thing since CFF has been mentioned a few times now?
    http://forum.vudu.com/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=16

    EDIT: I'll add this too: http://www.uvdemystified.com/uvfaq.html#3.2

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  • lujan
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    What is "CFF"?
    I've been wondering the same thing since CFF has been mentioned a few times now?

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  • tfisher
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by Speedaddict81 View Post
    tfisher: The CFF concept allows use of a certified 'player', possibly through an app download, to play the downloaded file. So, when it is launched, whatever you use to stream movies now is likely to become a CFF player. Most new tvs and blu-ray players are DLNA capable, which allows them to access content on your local network if it is stored in a supported format (which I hope CFF will be). So, you could download the files to a computer (or networked storage device) and then watch them on the TV.
    Yes, but having a library of movies stored in CFF format without an interface like Vudu's to browse and search for the movie you are looking for woulld not be the ideal setup.

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  • Speedaddict81
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    tfisher: The CFF concept allows use of a certified 'player', possibly through an app download, to play the downloaded file. So, when it is launched, whatever you use to stream movies now is likely to become a CFF player. Most new tvs and blu-ray players are DLNA capable, which allows them to access content on your local network if it is stored in a supported format (which I hope CFF will be). So, you could download the files to a computer (or networked storage device) and then watch them on the TV.

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  • jeffpn
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    It wouldn't surprise me if UV portals like Vudu only want to reserve the right to charge for streams after a year, but don't really intend to do that. My bet is that your worry is unfounded, and that there is no need for customers to do any money making brainstorming for Vudu. Only time will tell.

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  • tfisher
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
    It's basically a modified version of MPEG4 movie container format I think. But it will support multiple DRM schemes in one file so you can open on different types of machines that use different DRMs (like PlayReady on Windows).
    Sounds interesting. We'll have to wait and see if it really is something that we can use to steam downloaded movie to our televisions and other devices being used today and how large these files will be. As that technology matures, and if it's of any use, I can even see software becoming available that allows us to create these CFF files from DVDs.

    I would love to establish my own clound right here in my wireless network, but today there is no app in my TV or in my Blue Ray players that would allow for this. Maybe sometime in the future. This would also allow us to be ANY of our movies into our own personal cloud, regardless of who the studio is.

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  • jonline
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    I traditionally don't buy from any digital retailers, e.g. amazon or Itunes, for all those reasons stated previously. In actuality, there is one thing about the UV system that is easier to trust, even though it is only guaranteed for a year of free service.

    You can always switch providers who screw you too much, and your videos go with you. Now we have Vudu, Cinemanow, Flixster and soon M-go and others. Whichever one offers the best terms will be the one you choose to buy future movies on (and there will always be more movies for you to buy since they come out every year).

    So just because Vudu could charge a fee (just like amazon or itunes could currently charge a fee) doesn't mean it makes business sense to do so. That's what I'm banking on, that there will always be at least one low cost solution to watch your UV titles.

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  • sbuberl
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    Okay, so it's sort of their version of like an MP3. It sounds like it will be proprietary. What devices and software will be able to read these files and play the movies? More importantly, would we be able to burn a disk from these files? I am not sure, but I don't think that CFF is somthing that I could use on my Vizio television.
    It's basically a modified version of MPEG4 movie container format I think. But it will support multiple DRM schemes in one file so you can open on different types of machines that use different DRMs (like PlayReady on Windows). When they launch, I guess either some existing UV apps (Vudu, Flixster, etc) will change to support reading CFF files for downloaded files or maybe new apps will appear for playing CFF files. Won't know for sure until it launches.

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  • tfisher
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
    CFF is UV's Common File Format. It'll allow to download UV movies files that can copied to backup drives and other devices (so you don't have to redownload on each app/device like you do now with all the UV player apps). It's what the Download button will give you on UVVU.com once it's enabled. CFF is supposed to rollout in the next couple months.
    Okay, so it's sort of their version of like an MP3. It sounds like it will be proprietary. What devices and software will be able to read these files and play the movies? More importantly, would we be able to burn a disk from these files? I am not sure, but I don't think that CFF is somthing that I could use on my Vizio television.

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  • sbuberl
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by tfisher View Post
    What is "CFF"?
    CFF is UV's Common File Format. It'll allow to download UV movies files that can copied to backup drives and other devices (so you don't have to redownload on each app/device like you do now with all the UV player apps). It's what the Download button will give you on UVVU.com once it's enabled. CFF is supposed to rollout in the next couple months.

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  • tfisher
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
    I hate to see a forum specific to Vudu (and I participate in another specific forum as well that doesn't advertise) go the route of advertising on the forum. Ugh.

    The beauty of it is that Vudu already knows how to make money, and our brainstorming for increasing their revenue is irrelevant. I'd hate to think that the only way Vudu has to come up with ideas to make more money is to read our unsolicited advice.

    Count me out for commercials. I am dead against that!!!
    Then you can pay the annual fee I mentioned to block all the commercials

    I have no doubt that Vudu has some good people in their company or it wouldn't be such a great service today. But I would also like to think that we can help to contribute new ideas that can shape the future of this service through this forum. I think we've already seen a little of that happen.

    And again, this thread is more about having access to our digital locker forever, as it was intended and it's in response to something I read on the UV website (I posted the link in my original post). You were the first person to bring up the cost of providing this service, so it's only fair that we provide a counter argument to that by offering suggestions or examples of how these services could be funded without continuing to charge us to stream movies that we own.

    And I think there is more to the big picture than just Vudu regarding any possible limitation and restrictions. This could just be a case of smoke and no fire. We may never see any additional charges to watch our movies years after we add them and perhaps they will remain on the UV website forever. I don't know, but I thought starting a conversation about this concern might helpful (or entertaining at best). I guess the real question is what would happen to our movies that appear today in Vudu if UV was to remove them from our account on their site?

    I am not really in support of any fees to join Vudu. Doing so would probably cause Vudu to lose much of their rental business (how ever much that is). Who wants to pay a membership fee only to have to pay more money to buy or rent the content? But I would support additional membership services that we could optionally join up for like a television streaming service like Hulu or a service that allows us to download games to X-box and other game consoles. This is really the kind of thing I am talking about...adding new services and providing us with more entertainment options for a fee that would both pay for these new services and help to provide revenue to sustain what they have in place today.

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  • jeffpn
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    I hate to see a forum specific to Vudu (and I participate in another specific forum as well that doesn't advertise) go the route of advertising on the forum. Ugh.

    The beauty of it is that Vudu already knows how to make money, and our brainstorming for increasing their revenue is irrelevant. I'd hate to think that the only way Vudu has to come up with ideas to make more money is to read our unsolicited advice.

    Count me out for commercials. I am dead against that!!!

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  • tfisher
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by Fred65 View Post
    I think there are many things we do not know about Vudu, and it's future plans, but I don't think they would ever charge us to watch our own movies.
    I agree. But as I stated earlier, the UV website states the opposite and I think many of the UV titles that appear in my Vudu movie library is because they appear in our UV digital locker. So if UV was to do something in the future that limits my access to my movies then I would expect that my access through Vudu, CinamaNow, M-Go, and any other UV partner to also be effected by that. Think about it, if you use another service to add a new UV titles that appears in your UV account it automatically appears on Vudu. So what would happen if they were to delete a movie from UV? Wouldn't you think that it would be removed from Vudu and everywhere else?

    We've talked about Vudu's overhead here, but what additional overhead is there for UV? What is there operational expenses and how are they funded? These are equally important questions if UV plays as an important role as I think they do.

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  • jeffpn
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    Originally posted by Fred65
    I will probably catch flack from someone, but that's the beauty of a free society.
    No flack from me, but I'm sure I can come up with something, if you'd like!!

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  • tfisher
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    Re: Are there really limitations and restrictions on our digital movie locker?

    While I wouldn't mind paying a small annual membership fee, the thing is that they have already sucked us in with the service as it is today.

    Here is the other side of the "cost" argument. As acknowledged earlier, there is a "cost" associated with hosting this site and all that. But much of the overhead is going to be there regardless. If they starting charging fees that most people feel are unfair and this was to cause people to abandon VUDU then what is the cost of having all the movies sitting in their servers and having all the bandwidth available and not being used? There is a cost to nonuse as well.

    Here is another thought I had...another idea for Vudu to help fund their site. They could do what many websites do and add some advertising to their site. If they were to add a short commercial (like Hulu does) that would air each time we connected then they could draw revenue from that. Heck, they could even charge us a small monthly or annual fee to turn off that advertising. Just a thought, but I am sure that they are already brainstorming and working on their own ideas if financials is a concern for them.

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