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AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

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  • MaxH
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    I thought about this some more. I think "HD" hear is "Hard Drive." I think what they are saying is that the Vudu is running scared because the hard drive format might go bad and you loose your movies. With AppleTV, you can sync all your purchased movies back to your computer and so have a back up.
    So they just left off the second "D"? I guess it's possible, but I find it hard to even pretend I care. I've had HDDs running 24/7 in my Replays for 4-5 years, and IIRC, the VUDU HDDs are much better quality than those.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by MaxH View Post
    And what the heck is "HD Format Death"?!? MEDIA format is what the current format wars are about, the HD format is still...HD. 720p, 1080i, 1080p (although frames per second in the latter may vary, apparently).
    I thought about this some more. I think "HD" hear is "Hard Drive." I think what they are saying is that the Vudu is running scared because the hard drive format might go bad and you loose your movies. With AppleTV, you can sync all your purchased movies back to your computer and so have a back up.

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  • Rusdude
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    I just wish I had the time to post back to these wanna be journalists out there. The web is so full of misinformation it's not even funny. Vudu needs to set up some attack dog volunteers to go after this sort of thing. We need a Chico Crew!
    Well, that's why Vudu has Evangelists. I try to do my best to respond to wrong statements or misinformation, but with Apple Insider it's pretty pointless. But you can find me on Gizmodo, Engadget, AVS, and smaller blogs like TiVoLovers and Zats Not Funny.

    P.S. If Vudu wants to make us Chico Crew t-shirts, I am game!

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  • NA9D
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    I just wish I had the time to post back to these wanna be journalists out there. The web is so full of misinformation it's not even funny. Vudu needs to set up some attack dog volunteers to go after this sort of thing. We need a Chico Crew!

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  • MaxH
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
    a very funny chart that gets Vudu info wrong - http://images.appleinsider.com/apple...-review2-1.jpg
    (content resolution, pricing, free content, # of HD movies ("some"), lol)

    And what the heck is "HD Format Death"?!? MEDIA format is what the current format wars are about, the HD format is still...HD. 720p, 1080i, 1080p (although frames per second in the latter may vary, apparently).

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  • Rusdude
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by RonV View Post
    Have you guys even looked at my signature? I have my zune card in it...welcome to the social....
    Oh, yeah, my bad. I was trying to be smart!

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  • RonV
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
    I finally met someone else with a Zune outside of Zune sites/boards!
    Have you guys even looked at my signature? I have my zune card in it...welcome to the social....

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  • kikar
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
    If you thought EngHD was biased towards Applie, here's an article from AppleInsider that compares HD quality of aTV, Vudu, UnBox, and 360.

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...mparisons.html

    It offers such gems as:

    (Vudu HD only comes in 1080p, SD is 480p)

    and


    (don't think Vudu's idea was to make margin on hardware-only; Vudu's use of P2P also reduces bandwidth (distribution) costs making media sales more profitable)

    and

    a very funny chart that gets Vudu info wrong - http://images.appleinsider.com/apple...-review2-1.jpg
    (content resolution, pricing, free content, # of HD movies ("some"), lol)

    P.S. They also have plenty to say about Amazon, Microsoft, Blu-Ray lol
    WHOA..... That was a painful article to read it was so full of misinformation. The chart is hilarious.

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  • Rusdude
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    If you thought EngHD was biased towards Applie, here's an article from AppleInsider that compares HD quality of aTV, Vudu, UnBox, and 360.

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...mparisons.html

    It offers such gems as:
    Vudu's 720p content is already heavily compressed, and it only offers a small selection of 1080p titles, so its hardware advantage primarily just makes the unit more expensive.
    (Vudu HD only comes in 1080p, SD is 480p)

    and

    Vudu hit the ground running first, but has been forced to drop its hardware price from around $400 to $295 to compete with Apple TV. Since Apple intentionally runs its iTunes Store at only a slight profit in order to provide content for its hardware, Vudu's expensive hardware cut suggests big problems for the startup, as it will be forced to compete in media sales against a low profit or loss leader business going forward.
    (don't think Vudu's idea was to make margin on hardware-only; Vudu's use of P2P also reduces bandwidth (distribution) costs making media sales more profitable)

    and

    a very funny chart that gets Vudu info wrong - http://images.appleinsider.com/apple...-review2-1.jpg
    (content resolution, pricing, free content, # of HD movies ("some"), lol)

    P.S. They also have plenty to say about Amazon, Microsoft, Blu-Ray lol

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  • Rusdude
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
    hey! I like both of my Zune players. I got a 30GB when it cam eout then an 80GB when they came out.
    I finally met someone else with a Zune outside of Zune sites/boards!

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  • aaronwt
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Yes, but at least unlike other closed universe devices (ie: Zune anyone?), the "i" products are multi-platform.
    hey! I like both of my Zune players. I got a 30GB when it cam eout then an 80GB when they came out.

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  • Petercarbo
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    Mossberg is another Apple Fanboy. Along with Leporte, and the old crew from TechTv.


    You can't get unbiased info from these groups.

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  • kikar
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Apple changed the quality of the encoding of their movies right around the time the ATV came out a year ago. So perhaps you got one that didn't get upgraded. Or perhaps they have made further improvements.

    It's confusing though because now if you want to convert a video file to play on an Apple device, you have an option for all devices (iPhone, iPod and ATV), iPod only (I think it includes iPhone as well) and ATV only. The ATV can handle video specs that the iPod can't.

    Cool thanks for the update. Yeah I bought national treasure just before I got the ATV. Just to try it out and it looked like crap I have never finished watching it. Thus the Apple TV has been collecting dust in the bedroom. It is a nice suprise to see them improve their encodes. I still prefer Vudu SD but that is just me.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by kikar View Post
    Also does anybody know if apple has changed something in the way they encode their films because I watched a film that I had purchased when I first got the Atv and it looks nowhere near as good as their newer movies that you can rent such as 3:10 to Yuma. The difference is night and Day.
    Apple changed the quality of the encoding of their movies right around the time the ATV came out a year ago. So perhaps you got one that didn't get upgraded. Or perhaps they have made further improvements.

    It's confusing though because now if you want to convert a video file to play on an Apple device, you have an option for all devices (iPhone, iPod and ATV), iPod only (I think it includes iPhone as well) and ATV only. The ATV can handle video specs that the iPod can't.

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  • kikar
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    Re: AppleTV HD vs. Vudu - First Impressions

    Originally posted by kikar View Post
    My take on the two:

    1.The unit itself - Vudu wins between the two because it doesn't heat up like the ATV. The ATV could warm my house in the winter after just a few minutes of use. Also I like the connections on the Vudu, and the asthetics of the box. ATV maybe smaller but not by much.

    2. The Remote - Vudu wins, mainly because for the scroll wheel. It makes trick play, text entry, and browsing easier and it provides an over all better experience. Plus it feels better in your hand. Vudu packs an RF remote, but apple sports an IR remote that one can use a universial remote with.

    3. Movie Selection SD - Vudu has a bigger selection but mainly because of the wide variety of movie genres they have. Right now I would give the edge slightly to Vudu becasue of this.

    4. Movie selection HD - This one is a toss up it all depends on you likes and dislikes so I would say a tie between the two.

    5. Movie quality SD - This one is close as well but I would give a slight edge to Vudu (very slight edge)

    6. Movie quality HD - After watching Transformers on both I would give a slight edge again to Vudu the picture seemed almost identical to ATV, which had less macro blocking than the XBox Live downloads so if you have downloaded from there then you will know what I mean about macroblocking I was pleasantly suprised with the Atv picture but felt that Vudu's 1080p encode seemed to be slightly more detailed than the Atv. My wife said they looked identical to her.

    7. Price SD - Vudu wins only because it has .99 rentals and offers some free downloads of older gems for people to enjoy.

    8. Price HD - Apple wins as 4.99 is their top price for an HD download.

    9. AQ - Vudu's DD+ encode downgraded to DD seemed a little fuller in the explosions and action sequences, but Atv seemed more crisp in the dialog and the rears were more active on the Vudu. So I guess it is what you prefer as to whom you would deem the winner of this battle. Vudu also has more movies available in DD5.1.

    10. User interface - I liked Vudu's interface better. The scrolling, being able to seperate by a lot more categories than ATV offers and being able to combine multiple filters makes Vudu navigation alot easier. ATV is pleasant and easy to use and I would probably love it had Vudu not spoiled me.

    11. Functionality - This is a personal choice but I love the ATV more so than the Vudu here. Being able to take a purchase and have it automatically back up on my Mac from which I can back it up on a disc is great. I also like being ale to move a show or movie to my iPod to view on the go. I like being able to purchase a season pass for TV shows. I also enjoy You tube and Flickr features on ATV ( won't use them much but occasionally have used You tube and it is nice)

    12. TV shows - Almost forgot this one as it is obvious that ATV wins. Vudu's selection is anemic and not portable. Apple allows for the option to purchase a season at a discount and has a much larger selection so I give the edge to Apple.


    13. Movie experience - The Vudu instant watching has set the bar. I did notlike to have to wait on the ATV, I have been spoiled. The P2P that Vudu uses has its good things as well as bad. It can be a network hog on my home network and bog some of my other equipment down but it allows for a much more pleasant viewing experience. With the ATV I waited to watch a movie until it was finished downloading because the network was so jammed up last night that it took 4 minutes to download a 2:25 HD movie trailer. and on some HD trailers it kept pausing to buffer and that is not what I want to have happen while watching a movie. That has yet to happen to me while watching Vudu.


    In conclusion if you love movies and plan on renting most of the time, and you want the best quality that downloads offer I would recommend Vudu over ATV any day of the week. If you look for more functionality, the ability to back up purchases to "data" disc, portabilty, and you like TV as well as movies than I would recommend ATV.


    Just my two cents.

    Here is my revised review after watching an actual HD movie on the Atv. I also moved it from the smaller 720p tv in the bedroom where it has been hibernating for the last year to the bigger 1080p tv in the family room to see how it stacks directly with the Vudu. Both outputting 1080i and using HDMI to my HDMI receiver both outputting DD 5.1.

    Also does anybody know if apple has changed something in the way they encode their films because I watched a film that I had purchased when I first got the Atv and it looks nowhere near as good as their newer movies that you can rent such as 3:10 to Yuma. The difference is night and Day.

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