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    #91
    Re: User-requested enhancements & features?

    Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
    It's the thrill that just keeps my juices flowing.
    There is no way I can picture that without getting grossed out.

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      #92
      Re: Compression Discussion

      Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
      You guys are scaring me. Is this forum going to turn into AVS now?
      This is why I direct these types of duscussions to the AVS forum....too much science for movie junkies....

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        #93
        Re: User-requested enhancements & features?

        Originally posted by NA9D View Post
        Tinhk aoubt how you are rdeanig tihs sntecne. The hmuan bairn olny nedes the frsit and lsat ltetres of a wrod to be in the crorcet pacle. You raed wrdos not lrettes.
        The thing is, even though I "can" read the sentence, I can also see that something is wrong. This equates well to lossy compression, since you can still tell what's going on in the movie, it just doesn't look quite right. However, your example has an abysmal 0% compression ratio.

        -John
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          #94
          Re: Compression Discussion

          Originally posted by RonV View Post
          This is why I direct these types of duscussions to the AVS forum....too much science for movie junkies....
          I don't really care for AVS. Too many junkies for the science.

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            #95
            Re: User-requested enhancements & features?

            Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
            The thing is, even though I "can" read the sentence, I can also see that something is wrong. This equates well to lossy compression, since you can still tell what's going on in the movie, it just doesn't look quite right. However, your example has an abysmal 0% compression ratio.

            -John
            The garbled sentence is what you see after decompression. When it was in its compressed format, it only took 1 byte.

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              #96
              Re: User-requested enhancements & features?

              Originally posted by redwein View Post
              The garbled sentence is what you see after decompression. When it was in its compressed format, it only took 1 byte.
              No way, only a Nibble.

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                #97
                Re: User-requested enhancements & features?

                Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
                No way, only a Nibble.
                That's a bit too much. Or maybe a bit too many.

                -- Greg

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                  #98
                  Re: Compression Discussion

                  Saw this Techonline tech paper about video quality testing and thought some in this thread might be interested. I haven't read it yet, so I'm not claiming it's worth reading.

                  Case Study: Can Video Quality Testing Be Scripted?
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                    #99
                    Re: Compression Discussion

                    And I thought coming up with a QA test for PDF's and printed documents was bad....we still don't even have automated tools for those....looks like they are making some in roads with video though....

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                      #100
                      Re: User-requested enhancements & features?

                      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                      Why I am being specific in saying that there are no "lost" pixels has a purpose. The poster who kinda started this discussion suggested that Vudu's HD content might not really be HD. In reality that would mean that the pixel count of the content is not 1024 x 768 or higher or as in Vudu's case 1920 x 1280. The fact is that there is always 1920 x 1280 pixels. I felt that your statement of "losing" pixels indicates that maybe the initial 2,457,600 pixels is some number less than that. My point is that the resolution in pixels of the picture does not degrade. The quality of the image degrades but the pixel count stays the same.

                      I'm debating semantics with you!
                      This is a specious argument. Just because it always displays 1920x1280 pixels does not really make it "high def". Presumably, in a 'high def' frame, every pixel can have a different value for every frame. To do so, you need bandwidth. Fortunately, there is a great amount of redundancy in images. Thus, there ways to compress the data, and reduce the bandwidth with minimal degradation of the image quality. To reduce the bandwidth below that, ie reduce the bit rate, you need to lose high frequency content, ie detail. That loss of detail can be color space, intra-frame detail, or inter-frame detail. Differences in values of adjecent pixels in both time and space will be lost. At some point, it no longer looks "hi def".

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                        #101
                        Re: Compression Discussion

                        Swampfox, I agree with you. However, technically, the definition of HD is anything greater than 1280 x 720. The technical definition of HD says nothing about the actual quality of the image.

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                          #102
                          Re: Compression Discussion

                          It's 1920x1080 or did I miss something and the VUDU resolution is 1920x1280?

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                            #103
                            Re: Compression Discussion

                            Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
                            It's 1920x1080 or did I miss something and the VUDU resolution is 1920x1280?
                            Sorry, it's a typo

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                              #104
                              Re: Compression Discussion

                              Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
                              It's 1920x1080 or did I miss something and the VUDU resolution is 1920x1280?
                              HD resolutions in general are defined as 1280 x 720 and above. So 1920 x 1080 is HD and yes, Vudu HD resolutions are 1920 x 1080.

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                                #105
                                Re: Compression Discussion

                                Way back I stated the issues with Vudu HD titles, they never compare to real HD forget about Blue Ray. Anyhoo, check this out, this may clear it up once and for all:

                                http://gizmodo.com/5048025/giz-expla...-very-high-def

                                As I stated, I like VUDU, however their HD is not really that good, neither is Apple's by the way, compared to actual HD, but they do look great on my projector. If they were say, $4 a pop I might be more willing.

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