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    What is this?!

    Okay, so I got a vudu box for Christmas...admittedly, I've never heard of this thing. I want to love it and from reading the forums here a bit, I just might, but I cannot get passed the notion that the box is a $400ish fee for the ability to rent movies.

    Can somebody please speak to why this is this so incredible? $400 isn't the end of the world, by any means, but netflix/movie card has no entry fee...

    Yet there has to be a reason one of you has 5 boxes!
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    Re: What is this?!

    Why is it incredible? Video on demand without a computer. No more trips to the video store. No waiting for Netflix. Instant viewing. High definition video. No more collecting DVD's. Are just a few...

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      #3
      Re: What is this?!

      Here's my reasoning:

      I was an early adopter of netflix and always loved the service, but I never had the movie I actually wanted to watch in my possession when I wanted to watch it. I dreamt of the ability to access netflix' massive library of titles and be able to access them instantly over the 'net. Netflix delivered this - almost - but tied it to internet explorer and needing a computer and an active internet connection. Vudu promises the bleeding edge of VOD for me:

      - High def/5.1 audio
      - Large library
      - Instant viewing
      - Not having to be tied into monthly fees or Apple or Comcast
      - Not having to choose between HD-DVD or Bluray
      - Ability to store my *owned* hi-def movies on someone else's infrastructure yet be able to get at my full library of movies whenever I want.

      Ah - just saw RonV beat me to it with a far more succinct answer

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        #4
        Re: What is this?!

        Originally posted by Glassjoe View Post
        Okay, so I got a vudu box for Christmas...admittedly, I've never heard of this thing. I want to love it and from reading the forums here a bit, I just might, but I cannot get passed the notion that the box is a $400ish fee for the ability to rent movies.

        Can somebody please speak to why this is this so incredible? $400 isn't the end of the world, by any means, but netflix/movie card has no entry fee...

        Yet there has to be a reason one of you has 5 boxes!
        I am the guy with 5 of them. It's really not much different than going out and paying a lot of money for a flat screen HD TV, or a home theater audio system, or a Tivo instead of a cable company DVR. After all, they all do the "same thing" as their cheaper counterparts. The difference is in how they do it. Vudu provides you with the benefit of on demand viewing with instant start, at your TV without needing to go to your computer, etc. Who else is going to give you that capability without buying a box?

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          Re: What is this?!

          HD content - a few

          5.1 Audio?? barely any

          Rental of most movies AFTER they are available on PPV.

          It seems to my untrained eye that VUDU is attempting to sell this product as the replacement to DVD and PPV but the movie studios are limiting what they send VUDU (i.e. 5.1 audio, rental ability at release etc) in order to protect the DVD and the PPV market. Obviously this is a problem.

          At release date of a DVD a customer has a choice:

          Choice A - By the DVD at a retailer for $16-$18 have full surround sound, be able to loan it to friends, resell it, watch it in different rooms, take it in the car etc etc etc and the quality is consistant.

          Choice B - Buy it from VUDU (because it appears almost no movies are available for rent on or near release date) for $19.99 and most likely have no surround sound and no other options but to watch it right there, plus it takes up hard drive space so you are limited to the amount of purchases you can make, bu i don't have to leave the house. VUDU is putting far to much value on not leaving the house.

          Why would anyone chose B? Pay more money for an inferior product with less value?????

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            Re: What is this?!

            Originally posted by jcarrington View Post
            HD content - a few

            5.1 Audio?? barely any

            Rental of most movies AFTER they are available on PPV.

            It seems to my untrained eye that VUDU is attempting to sell this product as the replacement to DVD and PPV but the movie studios are limiting what they send VUDU (i.e. 5.1 audio, rental ability at release etc) in order to protect the DVD and the PPV market. Obviously this is a problem.

            At release date of a DVD a customer has a choice:

            Choice A - By the DVD at a retailer for $16-$18 have full surround sound, be able to loan it to friends, resell it, watch it in different rooms, take it in the car etc etc etc and the quality is consistant.

            Choice B - Buy it from VUDU (because it appears almost no movies are available for rent on or near release date) for $19.99 and most likely have no surround sound and no other options but to watch it right there, plus it takes up hard drive space so you are limited to the amount of purchases you can make, bu i don't have to leave the house. VUDU is putting far to much value on not leaving the house.

            Why would anyone chose B? Pay more money for an inferior product with less value?????
            It's all about the remote!

            Seriously, Vudu has one possible thing going for it if it can deliver HD movies from all studios and negate the need for blu-ray or hd-dvd players. However, $400 can get you both an entry level HD DVD player and a blu-ray player, and you're back to getting the physical media if you go that route.

            Vudu really needs to lower the price by about $200 to be at all competitive.

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              Re: What is this?!

              Originally posted by jcarrington View Post
              Why would anyone chose B? Pay more money for an inferior product with less value?????
              Because we're idiots?

              That seems to be what you're asking, by posing loaded questions like that, so please remember to frame your questions in a more civil manner in the future. Flamebait posts (those which are antithetical to having a civil discussion) will be moderated.

              I would personally rather not buy 5000 DVDs, most of which I would only watch once. I do have quite a few DVDs, but those are (mostly) the movies that are good enough that I'd watch them at least once or twice a year if I had the time, and I love to loan them to friends. I never would have bought, and probably wouldn't and possibly couldn't have easily gone out and rented, the Bollywood movie Devdas, since I didn't know anything about it. But someone on this forum said it was on the VUDU and I might enjoy it, and so I did. I like having the selection at my fingertips like that. That's why I personally sometimes prefer to watch something on the VUDU instead of purchasing or renting a physical DVD.

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                Re: What is this?!

                Originally posted by jcarrington View Post
                Why would anyone chose B? Pay more money for an inferior product with less value?????
                Perhaps because I have more going on in my life and don't need to or have time to watch or own a DVD the day it becomes available. It turns out that waiting a few weeks fits perfectly in my schedule and the delivery mechanism for Vudu is so much better. Heck, before Vudu, I didn't even watch new release DVDs because I dislike dealing with DVDs so much. I either saw the movie in the theater if I really wanted to see it, or waited until my wife bought it (our tastes don't match so that was rarely).

                You need to remember, different people value things differently. Making a statement that a product is "inferior" because it doesn't fit in to the way you value things makes as much sense as claiming an orange is inferior to an apple because it is much more sour, and you don't like that.

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                  #9
                  Re: What is this?!

                  Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
                  Vudu really needs to lower the price by about $200 to be at all competitive.
                  Wouldn't it make sense for them to make that determination based on how well the boxes are selling and their business model? It seems a little odd to go out and buy a box and then say that others won't, given that you did. If you really thought it wasn't worth it, you could have exercised your right to return it within 30 days. I'd rather let them run their business in a way that leads to future success. Lowering the price when it isn't necessary would be a bad thing for any business to do.

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                    Re: What is this?!

                    Originally posted by redwein View Post
                    Wouldn't it make sense for them to make that determination based on how well the boxes are selling and their business model? It seems a little odd to go out and buy a box and then say that others won't, given that you did. If you really thought it wasn't worth it, you could have exercised your right to return it within 30 days. I'd rather let them run their business in a way that leads to future success. Lowering the price when it isn't necessary would be a bad thing for any business to do.
                    I've got money to blow.

                    But I really worry about the long-term prospects. Everyone I've mentioned vudu to sees it as way overpriced. Even moreso now that HD players are coming down so much in price.

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                      Re: What is this?!

                      Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
                      I've got money to blow.

                      But I really worry about the long-term prospects. Everyone I've mentioned vudu to sees it as way overpriced. Even moreso now that HD players are coming down so much in price.
                      Isn't that the way with every new techno gizmo. They start out expensive and people like you and I buy them. They gain traction, reduce manufacturing costs, shift gears and take off?

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                        #12
                        Re: What is this?!

                        Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
                        I've got money to blow.

                        But I really worry about the long-term prospects. Everyone I've mentioned vudu to sees it as way overpriced. Even moreso now that HD players are coming down so much in price.
                        I think we are paying early adopter tax (remember how expensive DVD players were when they first came out?) and, perhaps, Vudu is keeping the price at this level to control the network buildup (since it's P2P-based).

                        Theoretically, Vudu could potentially subsidize boxes and make money by selling content (just like game console manufacturers and cell phone carriers do) but I think the trend is not to do that initially when it comes to niche devices. Just look at Amazon Kindle -- it's also pretty darn expensive and could've been sold at a loss by Amazon.

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                          #13
                          Re: What is this?!

                          Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                          Just look at Amazon Kindle -- it's also pretty darn expensive and could've been sold at a loss by Amazon.
                          And all that lets you do is read books, which anybody with a book could do for free. And they make you pay for the books you read too. Does that seem right? Shouldn't either the box be free or the content free? Why do I have to pay for both?

                          The above is obvious sarcasm and not directed at anyone in particular.

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                            #14
                            Re: What is this?!

                            I am not trying to be rude are belittle the device just for the sake of it. I am trying to point out the obvious flaws that will keep this product from succeeding.

                            It was stated that the product doesn't fit "my" lifestyle. I honestly don't see how it truly fits anyones lifestyle. The person who said this stated he didn't need to see new releases, ok i get that but then wouldn't PPV be a better fit. You are not interested in seeing movies when they are released on dvd so the PPV lag doens't bother you and plus PPV doens't have a $400 buy in cost. MOst if not all PPV is in surround sound and comcast offers alot more HD content via PPV so the quality is better.

                            The advanatge VUDU has over PPV is that movies on PPV will eventually be repalced where i assume the VUDU library will continue to grow like a video store and that is a big plus but certainly not a winning punch.

                            Trust me, i like the idea of VUDU i would love it to replace DVD / PPV etc etc but the way it is marketed is not what the product is. The product problems remain:

                            1. The quality for the most part is inferior to DVD. By VUDU not having surround sound i don't think anyone would say the VUDU quality is better. HD content is not yet reality but even HD with out surround sound is a problem for me. How can it expect to beat DVD when it can't match it?

                            2. I was told that the movies would be available on the VUDU servers on or about the day it was released on DVD, the rep somehow left out that you couldn't rent them until much later, very misleading. In order to beat PPV you have to have your content available when the DVD is released.

                            Maybe i was over sold on this product. I honestly what this to work; its potential is awesome but it is destined to fail if it these issues are not corrected, do you agree?

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                              #15
                              Re: What is this?!

                              Originally posted by jcarrington View Post
                              It was stated that the product doesn't fit "my" lifestyle. I honestly don't see how it truly fits anyones lifestyle. The person who said this stated he didn't need to see new releases, ok i get that but then wouldn't PPV be a better fit. You are not interested in seeing movies when they are released on dvd so the PPV lag doens't bother you and plus PPV doens't have a $400 buy in cost. MOst if not all PPV is in surround sound and comcast offers alot more HD content via PPV so the quality is better.
                              It fits my lifestyle perfectly. My movie habits are that I sometimes want to watch a movie. I want to look at a library that contains new and old movies, and thousands of them to boot. Every time I log on to Vudu there is some new stuff and tons of old stuff. If there is something new I want to watch, I watch it. If not, I watch something older (which is exactly what people who own their own DVD collection do). It isn't hard to imagine this type of usage pattern and it matches what people do when they go to Blockbuster, for example.

                              PPV just doesn't cut it. You have a very limited number of choices at any point in time.

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