High price of HD rentals

[HeadHodge]

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I never stated that 1080p was not indicative of quality. It absolutely is. A 1280x720 picture has 921,600 pixels. A 1960x1080 image has 2,116,800 pixels or over 2 times the number of pixels as the 720p image.

Now that I can get 1080/24p instead of just 1080i from Directv, I would have to say that everyting I'm watching on Directv is on average at least 2000% better than yesterday!!

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Now that I can get 1080/24p instead of just 1080i from Directv, I would have to say that everyting I'm watching on Directv is on average at least 2000% better than yesterday!!

If you wanted to be accurate, you'd say it's 129.6875% better.

With dual disabilities (noun-challenged and math-challenged) we should be able to get some sort of federal grant set aside for your circumstances.

[HeadHodge]

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If you wanted to be accurate, you'd say it's 129.6875% better.

With dual disabilities (noun-challenged and math-challenged) we should be able to get some sort of federal grant set aside for your circumstances.

Well Brain, how the heck do you think I will pay for 3lbs of Cheese??

Remember, in noun class they teach us that, Noun is just a four letter word!!

[HeadHodge]

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[quote=Nded;23911]If you wanted to be accurate, you'd say it's 129.6875% better.
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You're not factoring in the fact that PQ is in the eye of the beholder!!!

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Well Brain, how the heck do you think I will pay for 3lbs of Cheese??

Remember, in noun class they teach us that, Noun is just a four letter word!!

For the record, that was your 999th post on this forum. The next post is your 1,000th, so you should take your time to really contemplate the content and make it memorable.

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If you wanted to be accurate, you'd say it's 129.6875% better.

You're not factoring in the fact that PQ is in the eye of the beholder!!!

#1000 - enough said

[MaxH]

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Well Brain, how the heck do you think I will pay for 3lbs of Cheese??

Remember, in noun class they teach us that, Noun is just a four letter word!!

Hey, even my six-year old knows:

A noun's a special kind of word,
It's any name you ever heard,
I find it quite interesting.
A noun's a person, place, or thing.

[HeadHodge]

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For the record, that was your 999th post on this forum. The next post is your 1,000th, so you should take your time to really contemplate the content and make it memorable.

I did and it got bleeped by JohnA.

I just don't understand what's so offensive about displaying a picture of a little ole IPOD. I guess displaying competitive techno company products are verboten.

[JohnA]

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I did and it got bleeped by JohnA.

I just don't understand what's so offensive about displaying a picture of a little ole IPOD. I guess displaying competitive techno company products are verboten.

Well it was the item that was underneath the iPod that needed to be bleeped.

[HeadHodge]

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Well it was the item that was underneath the iPod that needed to be bleeped.

Oh!! I guess I had the wrong skin setting for the iPod.

[JohnA]

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Oh!! I guess I had the wrong skin setting for the iPod.

We'll just leave it at that!

[HeadHodge]

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I found this sorta interesting:

In terms of being able to display 1080/24p directly on a TV set, the feature is of "no use" to certainly more than 95% of subscribers. After all, TV sets with this capability are mostly "new for 2008" ? and, generally, only the premium models from each manufacturer have this feature.

But ... the 1080/24p feature has OTHER redeeming qualities, so it is NOT "useless" at all. In fact, the main reason for adding this feature was surely the fact that it reduces the download time for movies in "Video On Demand" by around 20%. Do the math, and you will find that the bandwidth of 1080/24p is actually 20% LESS than the bandwidth of 1080/60i.

(And 1080/60p is TWICE the bandwidth of 1080/60i, which makes 1080/60p all but useless as a transfer medium. Not to mention the fact that there is no native material in 1080/60p anyway, since movie-originated material is 24p and video-originated material is 60i.)

As I mentioned in another thread, 1080/24p is not really new as a recording medium, since HR20 receivers have ALWAYS had that capability ? it is a REQUIREMENT of the terrestrial ATSC standard (for recording OTA broadcasts). Not that any broadcaster has ever actually USED that format (it is one of 18 formats mandated by the ATSC standard, even though only 4 of those formats have ever actually been used for other-than-experimental broadcasting).

For more details on this, and some reflection on what 1080/24p really "means to you", see my other post at:

1080/24p and the Normal User

William C. McCain
Palo Alto, California
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[NA9D]

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And actually, 1080p/24 requires less bandwidth than 720p/60!

Let's assume that each pixel is 1 bit (BAD assumption but the math scales since all pixels are going to be the same number of bits regardless of resolution format).

Therefore, for a 720p picture it takes 921,600 bits = 921.6 Kbits per frame.

921.6 Kb/frame * 60 Frames/second = 55.296 Mb/sec

For a 1080p picture we get: 2.1168 Mbits per frame (see where this is going?)

2.1168 Mb/frame * 24 Frames/second = 50.8032 Mb/sec

So, a 1080p/24 pic takes less bandwidth than a 720p/60 pic! This is one of the things we were pointing out about how the Vudu has a superior HD image with less bandwidth than AppleTV.

Now, I didn't ever think of 1080p/24 being a broadcastable format, but it does make sense that it certainly could be broadcast inside a standard ATSC 6 MHz channel. Problem is that most TVs and most TV equipment is set up for the 60 frames a second bit (or 30 interlaced frames which is still 60 frames).

[NA9D]

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William C. McCain
Palo Alto, California
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So, I didn't realize this was your name. You trying to claim to be a relative of John McCain so that after he's elected you can get special perks?

[HeadHodge]

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So, I didn't realize this was your name. You trying to claim to be a relative of John McCain so that after he's elected you can get special perks?

I only hang with the best!!! They offer the best Quid Pro Quo!!

If my measley understanding of this format stuff is correct, I believe that even though VUDU is sent 1080/24p, for TVs that display it, the extra pull down frames are added by the box to display 1080i, etc.

If that's true, do you see a reason why the industry couldn't standardize on 1080/24p and the TV mfgs either conform to it or does like the VUDU box does and fill in the empty frames to properly sync the picture??

Also I have no need for one, but there is a box you can get to display digital broadcast on a legacy TV. Couldn't this box be made to also process a 1080/24p format as well??