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  • rstone
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    Thanks for the over-reaction... as for your dead horse picture... no comment.

    I figured it had something to do with compression, but that wasnt the question. The question was does the compression sacrafice quality if being used.

    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    Here we go again - search the forum for the word 'compression'

    Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use an ancient MPEG-2 compression algorithm. Vudu uses H.264 and gets much smaller files with great results. Look at your Bourne HD movies - they are only 4GB files, vs the same movie being a huge file on the old media.

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  • Nded
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    Originally posted by gazzie4 View Post
    I was under the impression HD DVD was using MPEG 4 compression...
    That may be right, as I don't have a hope of keeping up with that. I just know that Vudu has the leverage of using a newer/better algorithm, and that the HD/BLU folks are stuck with the old algorithms as they have to maintain compatibility with the install base.

    If/when a new compression algorithm hits the streets in the future, the Vudu can take advantage of that also.

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  • NA9D
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    I'm not sure what HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use.

    But I know for a FACT that the Vudu uses H.264. SD movies are around 1.5 to 2 Gigabytes in size and HD movies are 3 to 4 Gigabytes. How do I know this? I've been testing the product and working with Vudu engineers for 11 months. Yeah, it's a damn good picture for 4 Gigs of size.

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  • gazzie4
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    Originally posted by Nded View Post

    Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use an ancient MPEG-2 compression algorithm. Vudu uses H.264 and gets much smaller files with great results. Look at your Bourne HD movies - they are only 4GB files, vs the same movie being a huge file on the old media.

    I was under the impression HD DVD was using MPEG 4 compression...

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  • Nded
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    Originally posted by rstone View Post
    I don't know about that. Most DVD's without extra content and menus are around 4-5gigs on a standard DVD and on HDDVD it is more like 27gigs, at least on my HD-DVD's that I own. Although, I can compress a DVD down to about 1 gig, if i'm willing to compromise quality and size. I'm curious how your able to compress HD to 1/5 its size without compromising quality.
    Here we go again - search the forum for the word 'compression'



    Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use an ancient MPEG-2 compression algorithm. Vudu uses H.264 and gets much smaller files with great results. Look at your Bourne HD movies - they are only 4GB files, vs the same movie being a huge file on the old media.

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  • rstone
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    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    HD file sizes are approximately double the size of SD movies.

    I'll leave it to you guys to figure out the bandwidth needed to stream instantly!
    I don't know about that. Most DVD's without extra content and menus are around 4-5gigs on a standard DVD and on HDDVD it is more like 27gigs, at least on my HD-DVD's that I own. Although, I can compress a DVD down to about 1 gig, if i'm willing to compromise quality and size. I'm curious how your able to compress HD to 1/5 its size without compromising quality.

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  • rstone
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    Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
    I rented two movies this weekend for 99 cents and 1.99. The Waitress was for rent for 99 and Live Free Die Hard was for 1.99. On Vudu they were both renting for 3.99. For those prices I would certainly rent from Amazon Unbox then Vudu any day. If other companies can offer the same moves for rent and cheaper I will skip the Vudu rentals.
    I'm curious how you did that when on their website it clearly says you can only rent Live Free or Die hard for $3.99. Same thing for waitress... says $3.99 for rental... strange...

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...RFZRA226TDM4YQ

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...RFZRA226TDM4YQ

    Knowing that, Vudu is in line with Amazon... so I have no clue where your getting your facts or numbers from.

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  • Rusdude
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    On my Series 2 Dual-Tuner model, TiVo's download interface (Unbox, Podcasts, etc) is painfully slow. The search interface was also pretty poor last time I looked at it. It was so bad that I never even used my free credits (people who signed up early for Unbox on Tivo were given something like $20 to spend on the service).

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  • MaxH
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    Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
    You can buy movies and store them on Amazon's database.
    Huh? I meant, is it something you can do through the TiVo using the remote? I had some friends over yesterday and they loved the interface, and how you can browse movies and previews, rent or buy one, then watch it right away, all on the TV and using the same remote.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    That's obviously an easy calculation. The thing that isn't easy is knowing how many current customers are having instant viewing (and loving it) but are using more than half of their bandwidth to do so. Those are the people that I am worried about becoming dissatisfied.
    Well, agreed. However, we are living in a day and age where bandwidth and upgradeability of said bandwidth is fairly cheap. For cable modem and Fios customers getting 4 Mb/sec worth of bandwidth is absolutely a no brainer. Yes, it might cost another $10 a month or so, but bandwidth is something you'll always use.

    I'm more concerned about the DSL customers. Most DSL services give you up to about 3 Mb/sec to a distance of about 10,000 feet from the CO. To get 6 Mb/sec on DSL, you need to be within something like 6000 feet I believe. And I don't know if all DSL operators offer up to 6 Mb/sec anyhow.

    Still, the driving factor is bandwidth. If you want to use the Vudu, you will end up buying the bandwidth. It's what I did. After 9 months of beta testing with a 1.5 Mb/sec line that was unstable, I'd had enough and I knew HD streaming was going to make matters worse!

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  • redwein
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    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    I'll leave it to you guys to figure out the bandwidth needed to stream instantly!
    That's obviously an easy calculation. The thing that isn't easy is knowing how many current customers are having instant viewing (and loving it) but are using more than half of their bandwidth to do so. Those are the people that I am worried about becoming dissatisfied.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    This is one of my fears for Vudu. For everyone who is currently enjoying instant download on a marginal connection, and patiently waiting for and demanding HD, I'm concerned they will be disappointed if they lose their instant download capability for HD.
    HD file sizes are approximately double the size of SD movies.

    I'll leave it to you guys to figure out the bandwidth needed to stream instantly!

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  • redwein
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    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Kinda reminds me of my beta testing days with the Vudu when I had the 1.5 Mb/sec downlink. It's WAY, WAY better to have instant viewability...
    This is one of my fears for Vudu. For everyone who is currently enjoying instant download on a marginal connection, and patiently waiting for and demanding HD, I'm concerned they will be disappointed if they lose their instant download capability for HD.

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  • redwein
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    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    It will be interesting to see what value users put on the convenience of instant viewing, versus having to wait for a download. What was the lag/download time before viewing? I've also heard that the Unbox downloads are never in 5.1 sound.
    I have both and I don't use Amazon Unbox at all. As good as the Tivo interface is, The Amazon Unbox on Tivo isn't. At least as of now, I will pick Vudu any day. Of course, I could imagine Amazon Unbox improving and would consider it more seriously if it did.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
    It takes a few hours to download the movie but I rent the movie the night before or before I go to work in the morning.
    Kinda reminds me of my beta testing days with the Vudu when I had the 1.5 Mb/sec downlink. It's WAY, WAY better to have instant viewability...

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